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Re: When are macro abusers getting banned?
« Reply #120 on: March 29, 2014, 03:25:56 pm »
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Seriously, with a decent mouse, some people can click really fucking fast; It's not cheating just because you can't do it.

There is no way for you to know if someone is using macros or not.


Yes, there is a way. Play the game for longer than a year or two, get to know the boundaries of normal gameplay (basically the common sense of experienced players), then analyze why you cant feint more than 3-4 times in one second without fucking up, while some guys can feint more than 5 times in half a sec and does the same combo over and over and over like robots.

I dont believe in guys having +100/200% hand agility/speed than the top brass.

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Re: When are macro abusers getting banned?
« Reply #121 on: March 29, 2014, 03:41:22 pm »
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what macro abusers are you talking about, ive not seen any, state names.
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Re: When are macro abusers getting banned?
« Reply #122 on: March 29, 2014, 03:50:51 pm »
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what macro abusers are you talking about, ive not seen any, state names.

Gorp_The_Gorger_MB on NA.

Someone ban his ass already.

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Re: When are macro abusers getting banned?
« Reply #123 on: March 29, 2014, 03:51:20 pm »
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what macro abusers are you talking about, ive not seen any, state names.

I fear if I name names, I'm gonna be stripped of my "player title" and that the aforementioned people are going to start recording epileptic videos of themselves playing cRPG.

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Re: When are macro abusers getting banned?
« Reply #124 on: March 29, 2014, 04:12:16 pm »
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I fear if I name names, I'm gonna be stripped of my "player title" and that the aforementioned people are going to start recording epileptic videos of themselves playing cRPG.
what player title?
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Re: When are macro abusers getting banned?
« Reply #125 on: March 29, 2014, 04:24:57 pm »
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I fear if I name names, I'm gonna be stripped of my "player title" and that the aforementioned people are going to start recording epileptic videos of themselves playing cRPG.
bull wait for shit
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Re: When are macro abusers getting banned?
« Reply #126 on: March 29, 2014, 05:50:30 pm »
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funny how also some1 said that Atze feints are no macros cause he's so experiend m that's true he is, but iam aswell i play for 3 years nothing else then 2hander basicely like him.
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Re: When are macro abusers getting banned?
« Reply #127 on: March 29, 2014, 05:59:29 pm »
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funny how also some1 said that Atze feints are no macros cause he's so experiend m that's true he is, but iam aswell i play for 3 years nothing else then 2hander basicely like him.

That should be reason enough for a ban, imo.

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Re: When are macro abusers getting banned?
« Reply #128 on: March 29, 2014, 08:40:28 pm »
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ATTACK              COUNTER
-Hold                  -Spam
-Spam                -Simple moves
-Simple Moves   - Feints
-Feints               -Spam

Follow this and no amount of macroing will save your enemy.
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Re: When are macro abusers getting banned?
« Reply #129 on: March 29, 2014, 10:48:44 pm »
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ATTACK              COUNTER
-Hold                  -Spam
-Spam                -Simple moves
-Simple Moves   - Feints
-Feints               -Spam

Follow this and no amount of macroing will save your enemy.

Only works if you know everybody's playstyle or can survive enough hits to test people.

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Re: When are macro abusers getting banned?
« Reply #130 on: March 30, 2014, 12:53:11 am »
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Yes, there is a way. Play the game for longer than a year or two, get to know the boundaries of normal gameplay (basically the common sense of experienced players), then analyze why you cant feint more than 3-4 times in one second without fucking up, while some guys can feint more than 5 times in half a sec and does the same combo over and over and over like robots.

I dont believe in guys having +100/200% hand agility/speed than the top brass.

Nice of you to get all elitist and assume that I'm an inexperienced player because I think differently to you (been playing warband since mid 2011).

So again, your argument is "I can only feint 3-4 times in a second, someone else can do more than me; they are cheating". Maybe you're using a shitty mouse that isn't registering your clicks correctly, or maybe you're simply not capable of clicking as fast as some other nerds are. Also, Why wouldn't you use the same combos over and over again if that's what was most effective?

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Re: When are macro abusers getting banned?
« Reply #131 on: March 30, 2014, 12:58:46 am »
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funny how also some1 said that Atze feints are no macros cause he's so experiend m that's true he is, but iam aswell i play for 3 years nothing else then 2hander basicely like him.
Someone said that Atze uses macros and I responded that he doesn't. Sorry for not adding ya.
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Re: When are macro abusers getting banned?
« Reply #132 on: March 30, 2014, 03:16:48 am »
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Only works if you know everybody's playstyle or can survive enough hits to test people.

*cough* Skono *cough*
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Re: When are macro abusers getting banned?
« Reply #133 on: March 30, 2014, 03:32:27 am »
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Wow, if I read this thread too much I'm going to believe macro doesnt exist and anyone who think the contrary is a conspiracy theorist!
Autoblock ban waves should tell us something about cheaters: they will always try to get the advantage on others, and use their advantage the longest possible without getting banned; those that arent still banned are either counting their time, or smarter than the rest.



Nice of you to get all elitist and assume that I'm an inexperienced player because I think differently to you (been playing warband since mid 2011).

I didnt mention myself if you re-read, what I said in the introduction message is a general truth.


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So again, your argument is "I can only feint 3-4 times in a second, someone else can do more than me; they are cheating". Maybe you're using a shitty mouse that isn't registering your clicks correctly, or maybe you're simply not capable of clicking as fast as some other nerds are. Also, Why wouldn't you use the same combos over and over again if that's what was most effective?

No, the argument is: you cant do more than X attack/parry/attack/parry in a specified timeframe, whatever is your mouse quality or fine motor skill. Whenever you exceed that number, you are using something else than a mouse and a hand. I put numbers in my example to illustrate that, not to show the exact truth...

I personaly still didnt accuse publicly anyone of macroing... the border between excellent skill and macro use is not that big, so there is a niche where they can hide, and if they are smart they will not overuse them nor will they record themselves using it, and it doesnt forbid them from having a legit skill with which they can beat other people.


Call me paranoid but there is some clues to be find:

- exact same combo pattern all the time, especially when its 3-10 different attacks done in a extremely short timeframe
- 100% of combo are done perfectly and with 0 execution difference
- camera pitch of the fighter barely moves at all despite the extreme change of weapon attack directions in the combo
- the fighter has problems canceling his combo if you harass him midway


Those clues are easy to pinpoint, as long as you have a big enough recording without the guy noticing, because its very easy to manually fail on purpose, adding to the exceptionally nerdy investigation job. Who will do it frankly anyway? If there is no software detection possible, it will be pretty hard to get someone red handed, because ultimately they can always rely on the doubt.



TL;DR: macro exist, we gotta find it and kill it.
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Re: When are macro abusers getting banned?
« Reply #134 on: March 30, 2014, 03:48:45 am »
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Even if macros exist the only one ive seen get close to macro speed is qoray, and even then its not too hard to follow. Pretty much no one feints anyways.
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