Kalmar forced us to side with UIF when they blitzkrieged us, otherwise things might have been different
no you forced them, as you didnt take your claims from last round up around Jelkala, instead trying to controll the center and again Shogunate leadership did also say early on them being friends with UIF, but not really with anyone else. So what was Shoguantes plan there? Just be neutral for the remaining game? Or building up, then roflstomp with GO/DRZ together? Or just being the pawns in the game so GO can easily engage everywhere on the map in war without being restricted through the center?
In any of these scenarios, Shoguante takes a stance for UIF. You still do, aslong you wont fight them, it is that easy, as GO/DRZ are just too friggin big, to be ignored.
If you and Kapis would change course, this could become an interesting strat, otherwise it is very clear to me how the outcome will be.
Where exactly did i complain about you specifically? .
..., i expect to be ganked by kinngrimm and his Anti UIF circlejerk.
All i said was that i expected you to push some troops and equip towards Eques to make it easier for them
Where did you say that? Besides just now
Not that it would matter, as it seems i remember more what you said then you yourself.
I am complaining about that nothing is happening, they could have taken Ada Kulun so easily right after we started this war but they just sat in their fiefs after the initial attack. Noone trying to attack the trading caravans, which also could have easily been attacked, taking hundreds and hundreds of crates from us, but meh. I can just send one guy unarmed right along Eques territory and they are not doing squat. That is what i call boring.
They are as a clan the first time in strategus and i think they are doing a good job sofar.
I never wanted to talk to you anyway,
Then why did you? You could just have said, you dont want to.
I declared a war on Eques and not on Fenris. You're an arrogant asshat who is way too full of himself and i try to stay away from those kinda people. If we didn't have this whole UIF issue i'd make sure HRE would be as much of a pain in your ass as possible.
You really need to get a little perspective here, within the talks we had, in the second one, Buba and Rogue had been listening in, in the first one only a drunken ... whoever that was and you, within those talks you said you were allied to Bubbastan(GK/Fallen) as "allways". Bubbastan shortly afterwards did attack Fenris. By what you said and what Bubbastan did, i have a standing Casus Belli against the both of you.
You see me going after Bros? Even after they (fu Grandmom ;) ) got Rduna or did you see me attacking Merc traders, who have no free passage in the north, but are there continously. What i did sofar was attacking S&D stealers who came close to Fenris claims or used the S&D there.
Also you HRE/GK/Fallen while now in smaller factions, which makes you more sympathatic in my eyes, you complaining about arrogance is rich. Remember how Coa treated ShuHan last round and made it praticly impossible for ShuHan to not be on the UIF side, because you didnt or only under very tough conditions would make trade with them? So that Byzantium aka Shuhan(+nords) aka Shogunate was this round starting out as UIF friends ...
Fips, before more personal insults are shared here and who did what and why BS again and again, how about a truce, including HRE/Eques and Bubbastan leaving the north alone form now on?
Also the Tulga area would be forfeit to a still to be named 3rd. Your claims and goals being Dustruil and Dugan and Asugan Castle. Or do you fear the mighty DRZ ^^. Perhaps you can even talk them into a NAP, you became rather close last round in the end, so they may sell Dugan to you and accept a NAP ... dreaming and invisioning is not reallity but can be aimed for and be realised.
well why should i as a player care? 
If you guys win then one of your factions or grimmy will attack us anyway
I told Tuetensuppe at start, aslong Mercs stay out of the north, i have no beef with you. Atm you are hurting friends of me up there by using up the S&D they would need to be able to fight, instead of securing yourself with others like Bros do, new trade areas in GO lands. I also told Tuetensuppe that i can accept you in the complette Dirhimr area which you(Mercs) at first claimed, but then retracted from at the time Shogunate proclaimed their claims onto those. Meanwhile i leave it to my members if they merc for you or not aslong the enemies you are fighting are GO or DRZ. Also if my members have friends in other clans and they at some point want to fight with those together i dont have a beef with that either aslong it would not be against their own clan ^^, like f.e. Shema who is firends with a number of Shugunate, where i wont stand in the way or make him choose or choose for him. So again, aslong Mercs dont give me reason to, i wont have any to go after them. Do i try to help to get people organized, hell yes, but mostly complettly new clans to strategus or smaller clans, so keeping expectations a little lower maybe a good thing versus frustration and stomach pain
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@Renay
UIF diplomacy = 2 biggest factions as allies + get leechers on board = win;
Now you may not want to see yourself as leecher, our brains are kind of funny that way not accepting any responsibilites, but well ... you are.
Also, when the superior guys in troops, gear and organisation as they all claim to be and obviously are, are left alone, you think they become magicly weaker over time or that the opposing guys become magicly so much more powerfull? I'd rather get it over with asap as waisting the next months to build up shit to then get beaten. So that then afterwards, UIF can invade NA or goto sleep, in any case i will have then some peace and quiet and wont give a shit anymore, been there done that.
In my opinion, the most healthy thing now what can happen is DRZ/GO attacking each other, then people can take a step back to reconsider let them have their fight and other smaller clans could have their fights. If GO beats DRZ or vice versa, which would still take ages, then afterwards, there can be new alliances. (still dreaming) But in terms of diplomacy, since strat 3, where i talked the first and since then last time with DRZ, they never made an attempt to get in touch with me. From what i remember from back then, Nebun was saying something along the line, "We dont need official NAP, we have friends, we do what we want" I dont see that that has changed.
I for once wont be grinding shit all the time so i can provide these 2 factions their fun without a realistic chance of success myself, that is not my goal in this game. So yeah .. no deal.
And i wont take part in any of as Matim called it "simulated" battles, they can stick their XP up their arses.
This is pretty much what i have to say about this, if you dont get it, you will most likely in 1-3 months from now. If you then still dont get it, you are not worth my or anyonce time and attention anyways.
