Dis Map Rotation Doe

[Horns_Archive]

I like the cut of this guys jib.

[Bryggan]

Odd, this map is one of my favourites, both as cav and infantry.  I never take that crazy bridge, just focus on the ford.  And it 'feels' that the ford has strategic value.  Dunno why.

[Sari]

Odd, this map is one of my favourites, both as cav and infantry.  I never take that crazy bridge, just focus on the ford.  And it 'feels' that the ford has strategic value.  Dunno why.

fjord* 

[Bryggan]

fjord* 

I'm pretty sure its a river.

[Snufalufagus]

Any map that nerfs cav is a good map. :-P

[Sandersson Jankins]

Not exactly the experience i had when i played it as cav on EU1, but okay. At least that's feedback worth reading and what map makers can work with.

I'm very surprised at that. People complain about archers and crossbows in NA but in EU they're alleged to be much worse. I can't complain all THAT much since I'm shit at map-making (tried hammer in source a few times and nearly killed myself) but all I can do is post my personal experience. A majority, or vocal minority of people complain about this map when it comes on in NA1, including myself.

I sympathize with the position of scene editors and Fips (whatever the fuck your title is) so I can't make much of a stink, but I've had little or no fun every time this map has come up. It's one of two maps that causes so many people frustration that it messes with teambalance since loads of people will simply not spawn in for the duration of the map. The other one is with the multiple bridges over magma.

[Sparvico]

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In my opinion this map would be a lot better if you:
1. Make the log bridge stone or wood (i.e. an actual bridge so you can fight on it without pulling your hair out).
2. Put in a land bridge, or a regular bridge at the fjord (or something that makes it so melee can cross without leaving their asses open to ranged for a good 5-10 seconds)
3. Adjust the spawns like they are in the picture (black dots) and make the master of the field like the red dots.

Also maybe a nice rustic log cabin or two for cover from ranged and to give the scene some atmosphere.

Now mind you I have never made a map for cRPG specifically, though I have done some for other warband mods, so take my suggestions with a grain of salt (and I am also just a plain old dumbass), but I see no reason why this map couldn't be great with just a few minor changes.

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Also, there are more than a few people who blame their clan-stack losing (or general losing streak) on the map for reasons related to ego, so you should only really listen to the people that can provide constructive complaints.

Edit: Now that volcano map is one of my personal favorites, but it needs bigger doors at spawn (so many fuckweasles teamwounding) and either a net to catch the jumpers, or someway to auto-kill anyone that jumpes down with a horse.

[Sir_Mahtin]

I like to believe a good map rotation is mainly made up of village maps, with a small amount of cav maps, and one big cav/small village in center map. That's just my thought though.

[Kafein]

Not exactly the experience i had when i played it as cav on EU1, but okay. At least that's feedback worth reading and what map makers can work with.

Just fire all the battle map makers and spend one afternoon generating low elevation high smoothness random plains with varying degrees of vegetation and rocks then save them as maps.

[Teeth]

Funnily enough there have been multiple map request threads that requested the comeback of certain single bridge maps, including the volcano map, I think exclusively made and supported by NA players. I personally never felt like adding them as I couldn't imagine the fun factor lasting much more than two plays after which the maps are just plainly terrible to play on. Fips went ahead and added the volcano map and unsurprisingly people don't like it much. It is not as bad as I gathered from the original screenshots though.

Personally I didn't like the map from the OP myself either. Water just slows people down and the combination of water and nearby cliffs make ranged really strong. I treasure the few people that make maps though and that is why I give a new map a shot very easily. I think it should be removed in its current state, but please explain to Thranduil what is wrong with it and what could be done to improve it. Mapmaking is a two way street and if you can't be arsed to try it yourself, at least help the people that can out by providing them with feedback. Feedback makes them better mappers and gives you better and fresh maps.

I can't complain all THAT much since I'm shit at map-making (tried hammer in source a few times and nearly killed myself)

Few other map makers compare to Warband's, it is very simple and requires no tech savvyness, I am a testament to that. I encourage anyone to have a go at making a map, if you follow the nice guide we have step by step, anyone can do it. The hard part is making a map that everybody likes, if there is one thing I have learned about maps for this game is that preferences vary wildly.

[Thranduil]

The hard part is making a map that everybody likes, if there is one thing I have learned about maps for this game is that preferences vary wildly.

Tell me about it! Mine are some of the strangest and are every changing! 

Anywho, not being one for sitting back and doing nothing (unless I'm feeling very lazy, which is often  ), I tried making some changes.

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Spawns aren't quite where Sparvico suggested, mostly because they were too close to the map edges, and the run distance was too dissimilar.

You can run for the cabin, or take cover in the trees. Just be wary of the map edge if you fight in the trees. It acts like an invisible barrier.

I haven't uploaded the new file yet. Want to see what people think.
And just to keep this thread from going too far off topic with my own maps, here is the link to my map feedback thread: http://forum.melee.org/scene-editing/thranduil's-battle-maps-(feedback)/msg973432/#msg973432
Post suggestions and general feedback there. Thanks. 

[Sparvico]

Very nice thranduil. My spawn points were really just my estimation of what would allow both teams to reach the fjord at the same time, but that was also because i assumed the cabins would go in by the fjord (kinda one or two on either side). The way that you have it is actually quite a bit better though, since you remove fighting in water almost entirely.

[Paul]

The map is very large and requires melee to run very far to fight other melee on either a hill or in water which is very annoying.

We could code scooters for American infantry.

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[Horns_Archive]

We could code scooters for American infantry.

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only if we can give all the EU players uni-brows (the stereotype wars have begun)

[PJ1020]

Tell me about it! Mine are some of the strangest and are every changing! 

Anywho, not being one for sitting back and doing nothing (unless I'm feeling very lazy, which is often  ), I tried making some changes.

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Spawns aren't quite where Sparvico suggested, mostly because they were too close to the map edges, and the run distance was too dissimilar.

You can run for the cabin, or take cover in the trees. Just be wary of the map edge if you fight in the trees. It acts like an invisible barrier.

I haven't uploaded the new file yet. Want to see what people think.
And just to keep this thread from going too far off topic with my own maps, here is the link to my map feedback thread: http://forum.melee.org/scene-editing/thranduil's-battle-maps-(feedback)/msg973432/#msg973432
Post suggestions and general feedback there. Thanks. 

Nice to see you care, thanks.