Why do players on defense get free gear?

[BaleOhay]

we were highly successful  with our first attack

[Lt_Anders]

Funny how he made this thread AFTER (faction) getting reckt in battle.

[CrazyCracka420]

its not really intuitive that peasants would choose to fight naked either. It's just absurd. Axes are also something peasants have laying around.

Then give it to attackers too.

My point (that you seem to be cleverly ignoring) is that the free gear shouldn't be 0 quality, it should be -2.  And it should be the cheapest gear, not a few tiers up from the cheapest.  scythes cost 32 gold each, tridents cost 2 gold each.  free gear that players get should be the cheap stuff, not stuff that is 16 times more expensive. 

Funny how he made this thread AFTER (faction) getting reckt in battle.

Two things, I can't even fight in strat battles (new son and all), so I really don't care one way or another.  I'm a forum whore at work, and this goes with the territory (spouting opinions and arguing). 

Secondly, we bought gear for an attack (we spent a pretty decent amount for this early on) thinking we were attacking an unarmed army (which we knew could easily get reinforced with gear/troops).  And we lost that battle.  Then we got attacked and we won that battle because we got free gear.

I'm not spouting my opinion because I'm mad, glad or sad.  It has nothing to do with any battle outcomes, this is my opinion as a player that free gear is bad.  But if you're going to give people free gear, then give them the cheapest gear, not gear that is 16 times more expensive than the cheapest gear.  I can certainly see that you may be unable to separate your feelings from your opinions, but I am and do all the time.

[Lt_Anders]

Then give it to attackers too.

My point (that you seem to be cleverly ignoring) is that the free gear shouldn't be 0 quality, it should be -2.  And it should be the cheapest gear, not a few tiers up from the cheapest.  scythes cost 32 gold each, tridents cost 2 gold each.  free gear that players get should be the cheap stuff, not stuff that is 16 times more expensive.

Focus's on 1 weapon: Ignores 80% of the rest of the peasant gear given.

[CrazyCracka420]

Focus's on 1 weapon: Ignores 80% of the rest of the peasant gear given.

Since I don't fight in strat battles, I am relying on information from previous rounds of strat.  I don't know what all free gear is given, but I know scythes are part of that (I believe axes are as well, not sure if they are two-handed axes or what kind).   

But keep bringing up your salient and highly logical points, they are really adding a lot to this discussion. 

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[Lt_Anders]

Since I don't fight in strat battles, I am relying on information from previous rounds of strat.  I don't know what all free gear is given, but I know scythes are part of that (I believe axes are as well, not sure if they are two-handed axes or what kind).   

But keep bringing up your salient and highly logical points, they are really adding a lot to this discussion. 

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you get the three WORST ARMORS IN THE GAME, 4 verisons of the Colored shield, a spiked club and...Falchion I believe?, short bow, rocks, (cheapest) 2h axe, scythe, pitchfork.

You're complaining about them getting 2(roughly 15% total) weapons that are REALLY good because they are CUT. Most of their gear is utter balls.

[Dach]

Secondly, we bought gear for an attack (we spent a pretty decent amount for this early on) thinking we were attacking an unarmed army (which we knew could easily get reinforced with gear/troops).  And we lost that battle.  Then we got attacked and we won that battle because we got free gear.

So finally you got screwed because of your lacking knowledge about the game... then you go on about how it's broken...

Next time how about you inform yourself instead of whining for change of game mechanics...

And don't try the, we can't know without trying... This free gear isn't new, it existed last round.

[imisshotmail]

I mean I was on the winning side of that battle Anders and I think it was stupid. It is NOT intuitive that you get better gear by not buying weapons, than you do by buying weapons. The point that this isn't going to matter in 1-2 weeks is a bad one because if that is the case, why not just add fief voting back in? If no one can fight each other for the first portion of Strategus why even have taking fiefs be a thing, skip it and go straight to the part where people can fight.

[Lt_Anders]

I mean I was on the winning side of that battle Anders and I think it was stupid. It is NOT intuitive that you get better gear by not buying weapons, than you do by buying weapons. The point that this isn't going to matter in 1-2 weeks is a bad one because if that is the case, why not just add fief voting back in? If no one can fight each other for the first portion of Strategus why even have taking fiefs be a thing, skip it and go straight to the part where people can fight.

I always preferred that over AI shit.
But free gear is a lesser evil than no gear. We've HAD free gear for...EVER! Why not Complain AI doesn't get broken gear too?

[Keshian]

In a few weeks you'll be glad it is the way it is.  Makes every battle a real one unless attackers randomly attack some guy without buying gear themselves.  Since they initiate its much more likely the attacker will have gear.  More real battles, more xp = more win.

[Teeth]

I do have a case, this early on in strat the gear that defenders are getting is much better and more expensive than is feasible for attackers to have.  I think it will be that way for at least a few weeks, maybe into the next month+.  That means people essentially have free reign to roam around the map going for 350%+  trade bonuses, with basically no risk involved.

We took our village wednesday and our two new armies are running better gear than the free gear so you don't have a case. You can still beat free gear with having a better roster or having more tickets, the difference between 15 body armour and 0 counts for nothing and you can loot their weapons. We took a 200 man village equipped with gear worth 50k silver with 334 losses while we had gear worth 5k silver. Free gear is good because it makes getting some really early money from trading or meeting up with your faction reasonably safe, but any coordinated attack will still punch through your free gear army, even at this point. Which means if people go with serious numbers of trading goods, people will attack and beat them even right now.

Don't blame free gear for you carrying out a crappy attack.

[CrazyCracka420]

I'm not complaining about losing a battle that we bought gear for (and winning a battle we didn't).  I'm talking about a game mechanic.  But keep bringing up whether or not we won or lost a battle and not actually arguing the merits of what I'm talking about.


And I'm not talking about the armors, I'm talking about the weapons.  I don't think free gear should be as good of gear as it is.  It should be the lowest tier gear.  Falchion costs 52 gold, it's a lot more expensive than a wooden stick at 1 gold.

I still don't think anyone should get free gear, but if they do, it should be -2 and lower tier than it currently is.

[Torben]

cracka,  as soon as people have established themselves it wont matter if the defenders have -2 or +0 gear,  itll be a slaughter anyway.

[Teeth]

I'm not complaining about losing a battle that we bought gear for (and winning a battle we didn't).  I'm talking about a game mechanic.  But keep bringing up whether or not we won or lost a battle and not actually arguing the merits of what I'm talking about.

And I'm not talking about the armors, I'm talking about the weapons.  I don't think free gear should be as good of gear as it is.  It should be the lowest tier gear.  Falchion costs 52 gold, it's a lot more expensive than a wooden stick at 1 gold.

I still don't think anyone should get free gear, but if they do, it should be -2 and lower tier than it currently is.

I did argue the merits. A falchion is not 50 times as good though and if you buy some hatchets and bring 50% more tickets you can kill them and loot their falchions. Current free gear is beatable within 2 days of Strat so I just do not see the issue here, no one else does either so good luck to you.

[MountedRhader]

The gear may seem overpowered because Strategus just started, but in a few weeks it will be nothing.