Bring back Ladders, Seriously..

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For those who still haven't realized it, on the subject of ladders there is a strong correlation between having a positive opinion of ladders and being NA, similarly there is a strong correlation between having a negative opinion of ladders and being EU.

The removal of deployable ladders is literally my most celebrated change in the history of this mod and there are many people who agree with me. As far as I know we have more archers and crossbowmen on this side of the pond and I have heard many an NA say our archers are better. I think our ranged are also bigger my old friends on average. Ladders on EU were unbearable. I don't see how giving ranged relative immunity from infantry and complete immunity from cav is in any way a justifiable piece of game design, reducing any round to capture the flag is not a solution whatsoever for my experience with ladders. Seeing as you all believe it is confirms my believe that NA's experience with ladders is something quite different from the turd we have had here.

In short, you won't understand our opinion, we won't understand your opinion. Don't bother arguing about it please. Give NA ladders for all I care, but keep them the fuck out of EU.

This. Stay the fuck out of EU, but you are welcome to do it in NA. You clearly dont have the same experience with ranged, as we have. I am already being a little bitch trying to hide from ranged, whenever i play on EU 1, because i can not get to them without being killed.

PS: Since EU and NA have conflicting opinions on this subject, you should probably make a poll for only one of the two.

PS2: In my opinion i would prefer implementing ladders in siege if anything, since it would be a bonus for everyone. It would also make siege a little more dynamic, instead of walking up the same ladder and getting chopped to pieces by 10 weapons waiting for you.

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This. Stay the fuck out of EU, but you are welcome to do it in NA. You clearly dont have the same experience with ranged, as we have. I am already being a little bitch trying to hide from ranged, whenever i play on EU 1, because i can not get to them without being killed.

PS: Since EU and NA have conflicting opinions on this subject, you should probably make a poll for only one of the two.

Shut up GTX and bring back ladders! Bring back some fun!

[Tanken]

Ah, I wasn't aware of such the contradicting opinions between NA and EU. Most of the problems NA had with it were camping related and delaying--not so much that it gave the archers an overpowerment. With our map rotation, there's only a hand full of maps it could effectively make a difference on, but perhaps we don't share the same map cycle currently?

Anyway, it's too late to accurate gauge the poll between NA and EU. I would love to see from a Dev standpoint if we can possibly get it back--perhaps try it in NA (we need the population boost) and see how it goes since we seem more receptive to them coming back as opposed to the EU servers.

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WHAT THE FUCK..is THAT!?

[Miwiw]

And if you play a map with many houses and the flags spawn in the middle of those? That's surely fun for the team that doesn't camp the roofs.

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WHAT THE FUCK..is THAT!?

That's a cat.

[San]

Sadly people would abuse this to troll their team as in blocking passages, trapping teammates etc.

That may be possible on the 2 maps with tunnels, but that's what admins are for. I also think stakes are worse, yet they are abused very rarely. Definitely not perfect, but it would be interesting if used correctly. Storming their ladder or waiting them out would both be strategies with their pros and cons. I always found it silly to have to bring another ladder to reach the enemy when we all know they're going to break it anyways.

[Torben]

ladders seam to me a relic of times long gone,  where flamberge wielding man-women  archers where ladderpulted off of long wide stone bridges,  my horse ate faces and my lance wasnt overly nerfed.  archers headshooting people from spawn to spawn,  captain georges flamberging through hoards of enemies,  cooties dancing fairylike through flocks of cut down men,  nakid dima urbans running about,  superbeast crushing skulls suited in a real black armor and a dehorsed finn clumsily swinging his looney toons axe.

fond memories in a seasoning mind. 

[Xeen]

It sounds fun.  I'd still want them to take motf further, though.

[Fips]

Oh god, the horrors...

[LordBerenger]

Bring back ladders but as soon as someone with a bow or crossbow climbs on them he/she insta-dies.

[bavvoz]

For me that would be killing blow to eu1. I try to protect our ranged very often with stakes and spears but this would be to lame. Shooting slow moving targets who cant shoot back from a place where they cant touch u, what would that be good for?

[Tovi]

4 slots for ladders sounds good. You can still hold a 0 slot 1H and grab some weapon on the ground.

[Hecur]

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