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Re: Dark Voodoo
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2014, 12:23:44 am »
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oh the irony.

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Re: Dark Voodoo
« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2014, 12:26:23 am »
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Still no idea how you do it. Can anyone who doesn't have the "i hate the new dtv" goggles on please enlighten me?

fips was the first to respond to your thread and willing to make it right, yet you persist with the attitude. what was the real point of this thread is all i'm wondering..
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Re: Dark Voodoo
« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2014, 12:43:32 am »
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There was no point, that's the point.


For the record, I have no problem with Teeth at all.


Also, I have no problem with any other map maker's and I am glad people are making maps still. I regularly provide feedback on some guys' threads and applaud their efforts. The difference is, they can take criticism, while fips is laughably hurt by such things.

I have moved past DTV being broken at this point, the main issue is that shitty maps are killing NA siege time and time again. Personally, I would rather play with half the map rotation than what we currently have just to avoid broken maps. And I am sure I wouldn't be alone.
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Re: Dark Voodoo
« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2014, 01:03:23 am »
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Let's play a game: for each idiotic post you make before disclosing the exploit, you get 10 additional days of non-removable ban.

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Re: Dark Voodoo
« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2014, 01:08:01 am »
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What Jona fails to deliver in a polite way, is that majority of positive feedback (said in-game, at least) about new DTV comes from people who leech there or treat it exclusively as a gold/exp farm, while much of complaining was done by people who always played DTV because they enjoyed it, they enjoyed the freedom, they enjoyed the "limitless" (not always smart) ways to engage bots and have fun.

I'm not saying the current DTV is utter shit, some of the things done by mapmakers are fun and we all appreciate them, but this stuff is just going in the wrong direction.

Shaddap. Gamemode perfect, xp/gold factory, where you can leech, if you want, or play - always will be players, who can do your duty. Just skip lame maps.

http://forum.melee.org/guides/2bach's-leeching-guide-for-dtv-leechers/

Nowadays you see 2-3 people with 13 shield-skill alts just setting themselves in the corners of the map and going AFK, dumbing down ANY map to a simple "wait for bots to come and get stuck, proceed to eliminate", so either you'll outlaw those sort of behaviour on DTV, or little will improve.
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Re: Dark Voodoo
« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2014, 01:13:56 am »
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This is where Freedom of Speech gets a wrong turn.

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Re: Dark Voodoo
« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2014, 01:27:02 am »
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This is where Freedom of Speech gets a wrong turn.

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Re: Dark Voodoo
« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2014, 02:51:55 am »
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Wise words there master Pendragon, now let me tell my story. I have always loved dtv for the day I started to play crpg and have think I have spent at least 75% of my crpg time on dtv, and I have been in the two best dtv clan(leading one of them too) I think it's fair for me to say that I know my dtv.

One of the thing I loved most with dtv was to make an head on charge strait in to the bots and slash through them with my nodachi, but the best part of dtv was the guys community there, mostly nice guys(with some exceptions ofc, but you have to take that this is after all crpg :lol:) which you could have fun with playing with and have a great time. Because of that I could play there for hours without getting bored and still have fun.

But after Fips started to "flips" with it its not the same thing any more, I don't think have have play more then 30min straight of dtv since it got updated. So how could that make a guy who spent almost all his playing time on dtv to stop playing there? Simply cause it just got so boring just doing the same shieldwall all the time, even tho there have been some fixes that have made it not dat broken, and I'm thankful for that. To do the same thing over and over again is not fun, that was the good thing with old dtv there you at least had a choice, you could form an shield wall/use a roof/fence or other stuff or simply charge head on. I must admit that after testing some of the maps now they have become a bit better, but still not close to the old once.

Some thing that also have changed is that nowadays noone asks if you want to play some dtv, they say "Hey let's go and leech on dtv and get some exp" and that is what dtv has become a leecher heaven. And not enough with that but you also use those leecher as an argument that new dtv is better because it got more population.  Hell no its not like that sure eu7 is mostly full but there is rarely over 15 guys on hre server and before one of the servers were also almost full all the time, but it was not uncommon at all that both servers were full and I don't see that happen now. I for a fact know a lot of guys who played mostly dtv( and a lot) not playing now/ or very rarely(I'm one of them). I say fuck the leechers and make this gamemod for those who really enjoyed it again!

I'm not saying that you should try to improve the mod cause it's a great thing! :D but when it go the other way and things become worse like with dtv it's sad. And then when you are to proud to commit it and use arguments like the one I wrote before things have gone wrong. But who knows after a year or something dtv might be a great gamemod again who knows.

I just want to say that I didn't write this post to just shit on Fips and others I just wanted to express my feeling about what dtv has become. Even thought I don't generally don't like what dtv has become everything is not bad, like stuff as balistas, new waves(really awesome and I love that :D) and the map with a gate which you could open that one I liked basically because you had a lot of choices, you could charge out, make a shield wall or use the gate mechanism. Now when I think about it I must have played more the 30min straight on that map. Stuff like that is great and you should keep that up!

Sorry for the wall of text and for my bad writing skill, not really a fan of that but this is what I fell and had t write it, have a nice day/night fellow crpg nerds

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Re: Dark Voodoo
« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2014, 03:27:40 am »
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I do agree with Jona about the NA siege rotation (suggested to Fips which maps to remove, but they were put back in shortly after)...NA siege is like the #1 Endangered Species and it's sad.

However, Jona in this thread is kinda doing this...

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I think this is the second fight I've seen between Jona and Tydeus if I recall correctly...

As for DTV I don't really have any comments on it - Didn't play it before, don't play it now.  However, I agree with Uther that many people play it now who did not before simply because it is the best min/max way to gain exp and money.  Whereas in some ways this is good, it deteriorates the already limited populations of the other servers at least in NA (especially siege)...so for that reason the new state of DTV does concern me somewhat.
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Re: Dark Voodoo
« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2014, 03:31:23 am »
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The game eventually goes in the wrong direction for all the veterans left on this mod. Best thing to do is to quit playing when that happens, and if you do it right like me you will not return in over 8 months and counting.

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Re: Dark Voodoo
« Reply #25 on: February 09, 2014, 03:34:37 am »
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I think this is the second fight I've seen between Jona and Tydeus if I recall correctly...

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Re: Dark Voodoo
« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2014, 03:45:43 am »
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I do agree with Jona about the NA siege rotation (suggested to Fips which maps to remove, but they were put back in shortly after)...NA siege is like the #1 Endangered Species and it's sad.

However, Jona in this thread is kinda doing this...

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I think this is the second fight I've seen between Jona and Tydeus if I recall correctly...

Lol well of course all I am doing is diggin my own grave... all it takes to get permabanned is to get on an admins bad side... you know... admins, those "impartial" 3rd parties who should dish out justice, not stoop to the low levels of trolling, shit talking and such that we mere players regularly participate in.

As I said, I have no problems with changes being done, just the people making those changes. They refuse to take any negative criticism and respond rather violently. If given a position of leadership, or of power, you should expect to have shit thrown your way. If your skin isn't thick enough that you can't simply walk away from an internet debate not caring... something is wrong with your life and you should really start visiting a therapist.

Also, the fact that we have such a self-destructive community is disgusting, and I am starting to think that I will indeed be far better off not being around any longer. We've got an all-time low number of players, and because someone makes some cheeky comments on a thread or two, he deserves to never again come back... lol. There are plenty of people I have had disagreements with in the past... for example most of frisia during strat. But hey, it was all fun shit talking, drama, and I would sincerely hate to see any of those guys go, despite my current, or past, feelings towards them. Any player who leaves is a huge loss to the ever-shrinking community, and here because you don't agree with someone's views, you get rid of them forever? Sure, you can blame it on "abusing glitches" and such... but we both know how much bullshit that is. If any random guy posted these pictures saying "found out this cool glitch, not entirely sure how it happened" no action would be taken. If anything he would get a slap on the wrist for 'abusing' it and then go on his merry way. I have a practically non-existent ban history... the only bans I can recall were good fun between me and a friend who is actually an admin (yeah, can you believe it, I actually have an admin friend!)
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Re: Dark Voodoo
« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2014, 04:12:46 am »
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You got it all wrong; you weren't permabanned for disagreeing or criticising or getting on an admin's bad side. You were permabanned because you used an exploit and refused to disclose it.
It's nothing new, we take cheating and exploiting seriously and punish it accordingly.