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Re: Respec to archer?
« Reply #30 on: January 25, 2014, 03:40:13 am »
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It's never wise to respecc archer, mate. Unless you have a masochistic fetish, then it would be ok.

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Re: Respec to archer?
« Reply #31 on: January 25, 2014, 08:05:32 am »
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Why hasn't this been moved to Chamber of Tears?
No real discussion by OP, just whining. "My shield only blocked 10 arrows, why didn't it block the other 2?!?!?" and "Why can 15 archers kill me? I should be able to kill them all!!!" If you're going to make a post with this much QQ, at least have a suggestion at the end besides

"omg devs can u pleaze nerf rangd bcuz I am not havng funn"
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Re: Respec to archer?
« Reply #32 on: January 25, 2014, 08:17:40 am »
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Re: Respec to archer?
« Reply #33 on: January 25, 2014, 08:36:10 am »
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Mad cuz bad.
I've played shielder for quite a long time, including the time after all the "archer buffs". And I wasn't some archer-hunting agi-freak, the whole time I played I had 24-18 build (for high lvl).
Shielder is totally fine. Playing shielder is the best way to feel safe, controlling the situation, not being vulnerable to anything. I mean, look at piker - if he meets any other class 1 vs 1, he's doomed. If a crossbowman meets archer while having no cover - he's most likely doomed. If a twohander meets two archers and has no cover - he's most likely doomed as well. Shielder has no such weaknesses, it's a manly class for manly men who are afraid of nothing.
But shielder has to be aware. It's something you are missing, probably.
So my advice: if you like playing shielder, stay with it, it's a good class. If you like to whine, start your everlasting respec journey and may the heaven lead you to being a str-horsearcher-throwing-shielder hybrid build using donkey in the end of it.

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Re: Respec to archer?
« Reply #34 on: January 25, 2014, 10:46:24 am »
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One will guess that in melee orientated game close combat will be more significant and ranged only flavour.
But numbers of flying spiky object begs to differ. Purposely I say ranged.
My 18/24 no IF was one shoted by rider with jarids with clear body hit.. not fun at all :(

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Re: Respec to archer?
« Reply #35 on: January 25, 2014, 10:49:38 am »
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I'd say shielders main threat is cav and crushtrough weapons (which anybody barely uses anymore)

With the recent buffs to 1h wepons and shields and the ranged situation on EU servers I'd say this is currently the class to go to and it shows, there have never been so much shielders, but I guess some ppl are never satisfied and will push and lobby their class forever.
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Re: Respec to archer?
« Reply #36 on: January 25, 2014, 11:02:15 am »
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Shielder has no such weaknesses, it's a manly class for manly men who are afraid of nothing everything.

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Re: Respec to archer?
« Reply #37 on: January 25, 2014, 11:13:13 am »
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Well... It might be just a different approach to understanding what "being afraid" means, Adamar.

I assume that I should be afraid of ranged because I don't have a shield.

You assume that you are not afraid of ranged and therefore don't have a shield.

The difference in this example is that you die and I don't.

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Re: Respec to archer?
« Reply #38 on: January 25, 2014, 11:15:38 am »
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adapt a teamwork lol get tactics shield

Also never seen this guy without a shield

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Re: Respec to archer?
« Reply #39 on: January 25, 2014, 01:55:52 pm »
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Well... It might be just a different approach to understanding what "being afraid" means, Adamar.

I assume that I should be afraid of ranged because I don't have a shield.

You assume that you are not afraid of ranged and therefore don't have a shield.

The difference in this example is that you die and I don't.

Every man dies, not every man truly lives, behind a shield.

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Re: Respec to archer?
« Reply #40 on: January 25, 2014, 02:16:47 pm »
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Thedric's experience does not fit my opinion of the game, therefore he must be bad

I believe I have an explanation though. Thedric usually tries to hunt ranged, which is of course not something you should do even if you have a shield or a horse. Because this game is balanced and in a balanced game nothing should kill ranged except ranged.

I've talked multiple times about restricting STF from certain classes except on the duel server, but these nerds want to both bitch about the amount of ranged and yet still demand that anyone can instantly roll a Level 30 archer on battle and siege to troll the shit out of them with. They are getting exactly what they are demanding, but still feel entitled to demand that the class be nerfed until useless.

It's because what you are suggesting is hiding the problem, not solving it. The problem is that a large population of ranged makes it more appealing to respec to ranged than any other class including shielder or cav. Making it harder to respec would not solve this problem.

I'd say shielders main threat is cav and crushtrough weapons (which anybody barely uses anymore)

With the recent buffs to 1h wepons and shields and the ranged situation on EU servers I'd say this is currently the class to go to and it shows, there have never been so much shielders, but I guess some ppl are never satisfied and will push and lobby their class forever.

Shielders including Thedric are fine in melee. If you can block, the shield is probably an encumbrance most of the time but it has important uses. The area where shielders are lacking with respect that what they should be able to do is against ranged. Isn't it strange that we never see any complaints from archers and crossbowmen saying that shielders and cav are too effective at taking them out ? Yeah, because they really aren't.


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Re: Respec to archer?
« Reply #41 on: January 25, 2014, 02:32:15 pm »
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Shielders including Thedric are fine in melee. If you can block, the shield is probably an encumbrance most of the time but it has important uses. The area where shielders are lacking with respect that what they should be able to do is against ranged. Isn't it strange that we never see any complaints from archers and crossbowmen saying that shielders and cav are too effective at taking them out ? Yeah, because they really aren't.

The reason why they arent really effective is because they can be heard from a mile away, or because most shielders right click when approaching archers, and they can just be outrun. In all honesty most of my deaths come from some ass rapey two-hander who can one hit me.
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Re: Respec to archer?
« Reply #42 on: January 25, 2014, 02:40:29 pm »
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It should just not be able to respec into an archer.

Only those who painfully level up an archer, from lv1 to lv30, can "enjoy" it. It's just too easy to forget how incredibly boring and powerless a low level archer is, and just bitch about all this high level ones on the server. STF are another thing, since they can't get any xp, and won't ever get better stats anyway. Though it still feels... wrong ?

The sheer amount of everything has always been a problem. One night, every player on the opposing team were shielders. Nearly all of them (go back to siege, damn Greys). It was definitely no fun as an archer, no fun as a thrower, no fun as a melee (since they'll actually swarm you, and you can't quickly take out opponents, since they're all blocking). Yet do we see a "nerf shield" topic ? No. Why ? Because it's normal... if there's 90% of shielders, then yes, you'll be killed by a shielder. If there's 70% of archers, then yes, you'll be killed by an archer. Or do you expect to beat anything, with your exact same playstyle, on every map ?


Though when you see a shielder bitching about ranged, when he's standing on high ground, on a stair, only one things comes to mind... l2p...
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Re: Respec to archer?
« Reply #43 on: January 25, 2014, 04:21:25 pm »
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Though when you see a shielder bitching about ranged, when he's standing on high ground, on a stair, only one things comes to mind... l2p...

I was covering the opening on the other side of that building, covering our own archers and 2h camping in there, waiting for the other team to come to us. I went to the stairs so that I could take the screenshot without getting shot.

The point of that picture is to show the angle and the spot where that arrow hit. To me this demonstrates that there is no forcefield anymore and basically my ability to cover my team (even myself) while we, or the enemy, approach is nonexistent.

Like Kafein said - I hunt archers, because in siege it is generally impossible to hold the flag while archers are firing at you from above. Someone has to do it, and unless friendly ranged can control their archers completely, I figured I might as well do it, because very few other bother to.

I prefer to play with a shield because I very often end up in the middle of the action, taking hits from multiple sides (storming walls, charging through bds and EU1 blob on blob action). I'm not that awesome manual blocker, I cannot compare to many of the pros out there, but I can get one or two hits on most people before I go down.

I'd say shielders main threat is cav and crushtrough weapons (which anybody barely uses anymore)

With the recent buffs to 1h wepons and shields and the ranged situation on EU servers I'd say this is currently the class to go to and it shows, there have never been so much shielders, but I guess some ppl are never satisfied and will push and lobby their class forever.

If you've ever played as a 1h shielder you know that mauls are the least of our worries, due to the fact that they are extremely slow. I've only ever met 2 maulers on EU2 that could keep up with me and kill me 1 on 1. Same goes for cav. Unless bumping to death (which takes forever) counts, there is very little a single cav can do against a shielder. Unless that cav is a HA, thats a different story. And I dont know where you're getting your statistics from, but I just played on EU1 and out of 35 people on my team, 6 were shielders (one had a bow on his back and 2 were hoplites). I'd say the amount of shielders is lowest I've ever seen it since I started playing.
Mad cuz bad.
I've played shielder for quite a long time, including the time after all the "archer buffs". And I wasn't some archer-hunting agi-freak, the whole time I played I had 24-18 build (for high lvl).
Shielder is totally fine. Playing shielder is the best way to feel safe, controlling the situation, not being vulnerable to anything. I mean, look at piker - if he meets any other class 1 vs 1, he's doomed. If a crossbowman meets archer while having no cover - he's most likely doomed. If a twohander meets two archers and has no cover - he's most likely doomed as well. Shielder has no such weaknesses, it's a manly class for manly men who are afraid of nothing.
But shielder has to be aware. It's something you are missing, probably.
So my advice: if you like playing shielder, stay with it, it's a good class. If you like to whine, start your everlasting respec journey and may the heaven lead you to being a str-horsearcher-throwing-shielder hybrid build using donkey in the end of it.
I don't know when you played shielder, but it must have been a long time ago. Too long ago. I've played all the maps on EU2, multiple times, so I know most of the spots ranged prefer. So, just my experience probably makes me more aware of archers than most. I'd very much like to know though how you managed to be aware of archers hiding behind every structure on EU2 while still being effective in combat? I think I know the answer to that, but unfortunately for me I don't have a bunch of Druzhina minions covering my back at all times, so I have to do most of the hard work myself.

I want there to be some sort of balance in regard to ranged classes. I don't mind them being able to kill me from a distance, while I'm approaching them. What I do mind is when after all that painfull approach, the archers pulls back his bow, performs a chernobyl-child dance around me, circumventing the shield, and kills me from a distance where ever my 1h would glance. Or my favorite - archer drops bow and arrows, pulls out his scottish sword and now I'm suddenly facing an agile and maneuverable inf that can control the distance of the fight and can deal the same amount of damage as me. Where is this balance you people speak of?

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Re: Respec to archer?
« Reply #44 on: January 25, 2014, 04:22:26 pm »
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BTW sorry Kafein, I misunderstood your first post