Well look EU, you're influencing NA

[Grumbs]

Just give people more viable alternatives to choosing ranged when there are too much ranged and everything will be fine.

You should be able to say "get a shield" with a straight face.

Armour should be worth using after medium.

Certain horses should have a specific role of targetting ranged, and it should be viable from a cost perspective compared to simply playing ranged

[Sharpe]

But then ranged being more effective against ranged turns into an infinite cycle where everyone shoots lasers our of their eyes to instantly kill people.

Yeah, but that sounds awesome.

[Lemon]

But then ranged being more effective against ranged turns into an infinite cycle where everyone shoots lasers our of their eyes to instantly kill people.

Perhaps that would make this game actually fun and not just a shiny piece of shit that we my old friends keep going back to like druggies.

[Casimir]

Solution: Buff 2h Cav

[Jack1]

Solution: Buff 2h Cav

Or make helicopters allready....

[LordBerenger]

The real hidden truth to why people love playing as HA and HX is simple. They want a reason to be able to bump infantry with the horses

[Hirlok]

Devs should implement occasional horse plagues, where all dem beasties either die or walk backwards only or are VERY slow or something like that. Would be fun.

And Fruity: no worries. I will always be there, on foot, and shooting my Lemon-puncture-and-squeeze-Devices from the ground...

[Lemon]

wow hirlok good job you made my son cry when you told me you were gonna shoot me. now you have to +1 or my son will cry

[Zanze]

Ranged counters horse archers. The counter to foot ranged is not more foot ranged. Now I know I get flamed every time I spew the truth, but get a shield and more importantly get a team. One shielder by himself can usually scatter ranged, a group of them can massacre your famous archer nests/groups. Yes, I say this with a straight face because I watch people like Matey get into the middle of a group of archers and take half of them down before they even notice. I've seen Gmno do the same without a shield as well.

 You want to stop getting killed by something, figure out how and then implement it. It is a lot more effective and quicker than whining. Lots of HA's this season? Pick up throwing your next gen, 1 hvy throwing axe will usually kill their horse or scare them off. Lots of archers? Take extra points in shield. Yeah only frontal coverage, but last I checked giving your back to any enemy was a bad idea so that does not just apply to archers. (Hint, use your surroundings) Lots of shielders? Sidearm axe. etc. Whine does not counter anything.

[rustyspoon]

Ranged counters horse archers. The counter to foot ranged is not more foot ranged. Now I know I get flamed every time I spew the truth, but get a shield and more importantly get a team. One shielder by himself can usually scatter ranged, a group of them can massacre your famous archer nests/groups. Yes, I say this with a straight face because I watch people like Matey get into the middle of a group of archers and take half of them down before they even notice. I've seen Gmno do the same without a shield as well.

Shields don't counter ranged and never have. Keeping yourself from getting shot is a lot different than being a counter. And honestly if a shielder manages to massacre a group of ranged players by himself, I would put that down to the ranged players being stupid more than anything.

Shields only stop projectiles from the front arc. 2 ranged players will always beat a shielder unless the ranged players are retarded. The only REAL counter to ranged IS more ranged, which is why this problem happens over and over again.

People start going ranged > more people go ranged to counter > ranged hits critical mass > ranged gets nerfed > people respec to 2h/pole > people start going ranged

That's happened over and over again for the last 3 years. I don't see it changing.

[kinngrimm]

It's just NA being one step beforehind EU in the ranged-devolution-chain.

To say it differently and get your selfestime up NA, EU is more dumb as they walked down that wrote faster then you did.

[Kafein]

Ranged counters horse archers. The counter to foot ranged is not more foot ranged. Now I know I get flamed every time I spew the truth, but get a shield and more importantly get a team. One shielder by himself can usually scatter ranged, a group of them can massacre your famous archer nests/groups. Yes, I say this with a straight face because I watch people like Matey get into the middle of a group of archers and take half of them down before they even notice. I've seen Gmno do the same without a shield as well.

 You want to stop getting killed by something, figure out how and then implement it. It is a lot more effective and quicker than whining. Lots of HA's this season? Pick up throwing your next gen, 1 hvy throwing axe will usually kill their horse or scare them off. Lots of archers? Take extra points in shield. Yeah only frontal coverage, but last I checked giving your back to any enemy was a bad idea so that does not just apply to archers. (Hint, use your surroundings) Lots of shielders? Sidearm axe. etc. Whine does not counter anything.

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Shields don't counter ranged and never have. Keeping yourself from getting shot is a lot different than being a counter. And honestly if a shielder manages to massacre a group of ranged players by himself, I would put that down to the ranged players being stupid more than anything.

Shields only stop projectiles from the front arc. 2 ranged players will always beat a shielder unless the ranged players are retarded. The only REAL counter to ranged IS more ranged, which is why this problem happens over and over again.

People start going ranged > more people go ranged to counter > ranged hits critical mass > ranged gets nerfed > people respec to 2h/pole > people start going ranged

That's happened over and over again for the last 3 years. I don't see it changing.

This. The best counter to ranged is forum warfare. That's just how it is. Not because forum warfare is particularly effective, but rather for a lack of any better option.

[Lemon]

It is quite sad though that we have a single class chasing away half the community and the only counter to it is brutally flaming those who play it. But hey, who doesn't love some flaming.

[Jack1]

That class would would not be chasing away the server if people had the brains to use shields other than elite cav shields or knightly kite shields. With five shielding and a huscarl shield/heavy board shield you get a barrier around yourself that is impenetrable as long as you don't charge into the middle of an archer group. Try coming at an archer at the side. It limits the firing angles much better.

Tdlr; play smarter not harder.

Edit: the only time that I ever see ravens(the only clan that ever uses shields larger than horseman shields) get killed by ranged is when they get shot by an archer that they don't know about. After that archer hits a raven, though, he is a dead fucker.

[Prpavi]

What counters ranged and horse ranged and cav, not shielders.