Time to end the range whine.

[Kalp]

Nerf instastab.

[BlueKnight]

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Damn you, Tzar. You found out about my secret plan you Byzmy old friend.

I've opened first nerf archery topic in months to test the waters. Luckily, people agreed with me. But whole point is to change the way players perceive archery. By acting like angry melee turd in nerf archery topics and presenting actual facts about archery in change (read: buff) archery threads I wanted to turn the tide and actually buff my desired hybrid archer and revert last few nerfs Paul did. But now my cover has been blown, by a member of Byzantium Kingdom.

I apologize for trying to manipulate the devs and for lobbying in general. It's Thomek's fault, he taught me this wizardry.

In other words, you can proceed with archery nerfs, I won't try to stop you.

Hipster

[Kafein]

Short version : when you see ranged, run away, seek cover and hope they don't find you. It's someone else's problem, now. Also, try to zigzag instead of running in a straight line. You'll get shot anyway, but at least you tried.

Simply because melee doesn't need a buff.

In all seriousness, melee needs a serious buff. What is so bad with Native melee combat and dying after two hits ? It seems everybody has to die in 538456 melee attacks or two arrows in cRPG.

[bilwit]

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[SMEGMAR]

This game just needs more incentive to use non sword-class weapons.

[karasu]

More than almost knockdown on every swing on blunt weapons or even 2 hit pierce wonders?

 

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

In all seriousness, melee needs a serious buff. What is so bad with Native melee combat and dying after two hits ? It seems everybody has to die in 538456 melee attacks or two arrows in cRPG.

This. If melee was more lethal it wouldn't feel like you you only died to ranged and teambumps, along with making shit more overall fun.

[wanteds]

What this mod lacks atm:


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[Corsair831]

simple counter to ranged, shield and light armour

however ... entire cRPG community -

** ME DUN KNO HOW PLAY WITH LESS THUN 60 BUDY ARMUR! ARCHURS R TOO FAST! NERF THEM OMG! **

[sF_Guardian]

I hate a lot less on archers since I'm playin Pitch Fork peasantmy old friend with 15/24 build.
I get oneshotted but if those bastards miss I'm on them very quick and nothing feels better than assraping those fuckers with a fork 

[Grumbs]

Shielder is only a defensive counter to ranged. Ranged can still deal damage to everyone else and shielders that aren't facing them. You shut your own offensive abilities down while "countering". When in range you are then melee vs melee which counter each other depending on player skill and some stats. As long as you can manual block you can shit on players in melee with just a bit of power strike, and with the agi ranged usually have. During this melee fight, anything can happen. You get to the point where you can't push any more, you have more ranged shooting at you, other melee get involved etc

So its false to say that shielder is a counter. Its a defensive counter. A real counter to ranged would be something that offensively deals damage to ranged without much risk of taking damage themselves, and they would be able to deal this damage without fulfilling many conditions first, similarly to how ranged deal damage without taking damage themselves

[Spleen]

I actually have +3 bodkins, but I never use them since its much funnier to just aim at the general direction of the enemy without even slightly caring for individual arrow dmg.
One of the 78 arrows will do the job eventually...

[Corsair831]

Shielder is only a defensive counter to ranged. Ranged can still deal damage to everyone else and shielders that aren't facing them. You shut your own offensive abilities down while "countering". When in range you are then melee vs melee which counter each other depending on player skill and some stats. As long as you can manual block you can shit on players in melee with just a bit of power strike, and with the agi ranged usually have. During this melee fight, anything can happen. You get to the point where you can't push any more, you have more ranged shooting at you, other melee get involved etc

So its false to say that shielder is a counter. Its a defensive counter. A real counter to ranged would be something that offensively deals damage to ranged without much risk of taking damage themselves, and they would be able to deal this damage without fulfilling many conditions first, similarly to how ranged deal damage without taking damage themselves

this is the thing a lot of crpg guys don't understand, ranged in native is very well balanced; every single infantryman can get a shield (as you say defensive), and throwing weapons, which are just not anywhere near as viable in crpg as they are in native.

if you want throwing with a shield in crpg you have to sacrifice ~~ 5+ power throw & ~~ 3 points in weapon master, as well as acquiring +3 throwing weapons, which is a huge sacrifice for having a very small chance of killing a player, compared to what an extra 2 ath or 2 powerstrike instead of the throwing would give you

IMO remove power throw, make it completely dependent on throwing WPF.

[Miwiw]

So agi whores will also be able to throw?.... 

[Ronin]

Shielder is only a defensive counter to ranged. Ranged can still deal damage to everyone else and shielders that aren't facing them. You shut your own offensive abilities down while "countering". When in range you are then melee vs melee which counter each other depending on player skill and some stats. As long as you can manual block you can shit on players in melee with just a bit of power strike, and with the agi ranged usually have. During this melee fight, anything can happen. You get to the point where you can't push any more, you have more ranged shooting at you, other melee get involved etc

So its false to say that shielder is a counter. Its a defensive counter. A real counter to ranged would be something that offensively deals damage to ranged without much risk of taking damage themselves, and they would be able to deal this damage without fulfilling many conditions first, similarly to how ranged deal damage without taking damage themselves

What you describe sounds like shield+throwers actually, and I find them a bit UP in cRPG. I'm not even taking the ridiculous upkeep on them, into account.