Believe in God...

[Xant]

Mork the goat god wants your money to strengthen his church, give me all your looms and gold and you'll gain eternal life in the afterlife, or whatever.

It's funny because this is comedy to us nowadays, yet Christianity was really doing this. "Pay us and your lot will be better in the afterlife! Pay us and your sins will be gone!"

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

It's funny because this is comedy to us nowadays, yet Christianity was really doing this. "Pay us and your lot will be better in the afterlife! Pay us and your sins will be gone!"

So pay me, those looms and that gold is only a few hundred hours of grind, potentially you could get eternal happiness for this. If you consider Pascal's wager anything but bullshit buy this: http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=marketplacetrade&id=549817

Regardless of the loss:reward ratio, if the probability of reward is too low, betting makes no sense.

[Penitent]

If I was a god I would rather sentence someone to eternal hellfire for believing in me for possible personal gain than someone who wasn't scared into believing I existed, choosing to be a good Christian because of possible reward in the afterlife is fucking pathetic, it also misses the point that there are a shitload of religions that promise you reward in heaven if you follow them, and punishment if you don't, spreading it out even thinner, in the end it's just pathetic. This entire post makes you sound like someone any selfrespecting deity would punish, religion/lack thereof should be a search for truth, not a search for reward. Abrahamic religions, specifically the Christianities, are fucking pathetic, they aren't based on trying to find truth, they aren't based on trying to do what you think is right, they're all about not searching for knowledge (hell the Adam and Eve story is basically "God wants you to be stupid"), not searching for truth, and doing what some book some shitheads wrote over a millennium ago tells them to? And why? Because it's right? Nope, because they might be rewarded. You disgust me. I would rather burn in eternal hellfire than worship something I didn't really believe in because it MIGHT be possible, and thus I MIGHT be rewarded.

BUT ANYHOW

Mork the goat god wants your money to strengthen his church, give me all your looms and gold and you'll gain eternal life in the afterlife, or whatever.

Your post is full of misconceptions.  You are misunderstanding my post, my motivations, and the nature of faith and religion -- completely.  It's so full of misconception I don't even know where to begin.  You confound me, man!    It's also pretty disrespectful on a personal level.

That's why discussion like this are so hard on the internet.  Most people arguing against religion are arguing against their own construction of something that doesn't even really exist.  Many people defending it don't understand their own faith.  Then it often eventually devolves into personal attacks on the part of the non-believers.

Oh well, have fun kiddies.

[Xant]

We certainly will, what with having no invisible grandfather-dude to answer to in the sky.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Your post is full of misconceptions.  You are misunderstanding my post, my motivations, and the nature of faith and religion -- completely.  It's so full of misconception I don't even know where to begin.  You confound me, man!    It's also pretty disrespectful on a personal level.

That's why discussion like this are so hard on the internet.  Most people arguing against religion are arguing against their own construction of something that doesn't even really exist.  Many people defending it don't understand their own faith. 

Oh well, have fun kiddies.

My own construction? If you wrote it isn't it your construction?

[Herkkutatti666]

what!?!? am i really the only jewish here :O

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We are a very arogant species if we think that the creator of the entire fucking universe created us on his image and sent his son to die for our sins.

[Penitent]

My own construction? If you wrote it isn't it your construction?

You took my post and turned it into something else.  I don't know how you got the conclusions you did...but you sure took those conclusions and ran down the field with them, scored a touchdown, and spiked the ball in a victory dance -- in the wrong goal!   I'd ask how you did that, but since you devolved into personal attacks I'm just going to go ahead and bow out.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

You took my post and turned it into something else.  I don't know how you got the conclusions you did...but you sure took those conclusions and ran down the field with them, scored a touchdown, and spiked the ball in a victory dance -- in the wrong goal!   I'd ask how you did that, but since you devolved into personal attacks I'm just going to go ahead and bow out.

Look at your fucking questions there buddy: "oooh does whether I believe in god affect my afterlife? Should I be the Churchs bitch just in case?" The very fact that you'd even bring up Pascal's wager as a valid reason to worship something alone proves my point.

[Penitent]

Look at your fucking questions there buddy: "oooh does whether I believe in god affect my afterlife? Should I be the Churchs bitch just in case?" The very fact that you'd even bring up Pascal's wager as a valid reason to worship something alone proves my point.

I didn't say any of those things.  Keep going though, you're looking quite bright.

[Tovi]

I'm Pantheist.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

I didn't say any of those things.  Keep going though, you're looking quite bright.

It's [Pascal's wager] a good starting point because many people just say "I don't see proof for God, so no point believing" and they just stop there.  That makes the least sense of all.  They aren't thinking beyond what is right in front of their face (almost literally), let alone what has happened in the past, or what may happen in the future, or what may happen after they die.  What are the possibilities after death?  Do we have a finite percentage of probabilities?  What are those based on?  Does that affect how I live my life now?  Should it?  What makes the most sense?

Now go give me 1mil cRPG gold because Mork the goat god might reward you.

[Maksimus]

Some experience from my life:
1) When my mother was ill, she had 39-40 degree C and couldn't move her neck and hand, I prayed for her and she got healed instantly, her temperature dropped to 36,6 after 5 min.
2) I prayed for one girl and she got healed from cancer
3) I told a prophecy to my freind, I said that he will pass exam, but God will surprise him, and he will get the highest mark not deservedly. He answered 1 of 5 questions and thought that will have 2 - the lowest mark but got 5 - the highest
4) When I was on exam, I asked God what question will teacher ask me and answer, and when I told the teacher what is giss thoughts, he afraid a little, Thanks to God I have graduated from university with all highest marks
5) I know people who healed from AIDS
And so on
I was seeking the God Half of my life and I still don't know him as I want to know. I learned to hear Him. Do you? Stop, please discuss about things that you don't know. And don't think that heaven is after dying. It starts when you fall in love with God.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Some experience from my life:
1) When my mother was ill, she had 39-40 degree C and couldn't move her neck and hand, I prayed for her and she got healed instantly, her temperature dropped to 36,6 after 5 min.
2) I prayed for one girl and she got healed from cancer
3) I told a prophecy to my freind, I said that he will pass exam, but God will surprise him, and he will get the highest mark not deservedly. He answered 1 of 5 questions and thought that will have 2 - the lowest mark but got 5 - the highest
4) When I was on exam, I asked God what question will teacher ask me and answer, and when I told the teacher what is giss thoughts, he afraid a little, Thanks to God I have graduated from university with all highest marks
5) I know people who healed from AIDS
And so on
I was seeking the God Half of my life and I still don't know him as I want to know. I learned to hear Him. Do you? Stop, please discuss about things that you don't know. And don't think that heaven is after dying. It starts when you fall in love with God.

Great great god helps people cheat in exams so they can graduate and get jobs they're not suited for, be incompetent, and thus screw over people in the end, Anecdotal evidence of prayer being answered best evidence either. Prove someone had aids, then stopped having aids, through the magics of GOD, I dare you.

[pepejul]

O M G !!!

God exists and apparently he's very preoccupated by your case.... Can you tell him to have same attention for some other problems on earth ?

Another idea : if your wills are so OP..please pray for some BIG DEALS not for selfish personnal situations (I m happy you healed all your familiy but you arenot the entire human race....

some other pple really need help too !

GO PRAY NOW FOR THEM ALL AND CURE AIDS AND MALARIA you will be rich and famous)

Yesterday my son had headake... I prayed the golden sausage and 5 min later he was fine... That is not a reason to believe in golden sausage powaaaa !