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Atheist (don't need a God to understand and love life)
47 (43.5%)
Muslim (Allah is great and Muhammad is his prophet)
5 (4.6%)
Christian (Jesus loves us and died for us)
17 (15.7%)
Jew (son of Moïse, the only true religion in earth)
2 (1.9%)
Buddhist (just feel good sit on your porch and looking the world)
1 (0.9%)
polytheist/ pagan (each thing has a soul and there are many gods everywhere)
4 (3.7%)
believer but disagree institutionnal religions.... just believe in God and pray it
7 (6.5%)
other way...
15 (13.9%)
Satanist...
10 (9.3%)

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Re: Believe in God...
« Reply #30 on: December 27, 2013, 05:07:54 pm »
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second if you dont believe God then dont expect something to get from Him. I saw how blind people became able to see, and many other, I heard the God myself and had prophesies, so I just cant to not to believe)

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Re: Believe in God...
« Reply #31 on: December 27, 2013, 05:13:55 pm »
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I don't lol
It's not supposed to be funny, I'm merely using the simplest way possible to shut down your idiotic argument.
1H stab is the fastest, strongest and longest 1H animation. There's no reason NOT to use it in all instances. I don't know if it's OP, but it's boring. 1H used to be fun because you had a fast (left), long (right) and the most devastating attack (stab) and had to choose the best attack for each occasion.

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Re: Believe in God...
« Reply #32 on: December 27, 2013, 05:15:09 pm »
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I REALLY want to know... but I NEVER found someone to explain me, ton convince me... I should be happy to believe but, actually, I can't...

Pple who believe...please give me ONE reason and I will convert into your religion, I promise....

I m not moking...
The holy church of Mork the goat god got orgies, that's a reason, heck, in fact a good reason.
1H stab is the fastest, strongest and longest 1H animation. There's no reason NOT to use it in all instances. I don't know if it's OP, but it's boring. 1H used to be fun because you had a fast (left), long (right) and the most devastating attack (stab) and had to choose the best attack for each occasion.

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Re: Believe in God...
« Reply #33 on: December 27, 2013, 05:17:30 pm »
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George Carlin is what disproves the existence of a god for you? The whole 'lelelel man in the sky dumb fairytales' argument is pretty shortsighted in my opinion. Considering that for an atheist world view you still have to believe in extremely abstract concepts, like a never ending universe or the big bang and a dimension like time. Is a sentient and omnipotent being all that much more ridiculous?

The whole 'urgh world is so bad, there can't be a god' argument isn't that compelling to me either. We only know of one world, what do we know whether it is all that good or bad? Even if, who says god is trying to create a perfect world. What is perfect in the eyes of god, what is good and bad? I for one think that good is only defined through bad, and that a fulfilling live requires bad things otherwise the good things will not satisfy you. In most religions there is an explanation for the existence of evil and the bad things in the world anyway, what would the point of an awesome afterlife be if things were all great and dandy down here?

Apart from that he has some critical points on specifically certain Christian behaviour which does very little to disprove the existence of a god.

That said, even though I would like there to be a god, because the finiteness of life terrifies me, from what I can see there is no way to be sure whether a god exists or doesn't exist, so I roll with the Atheist's Wager until I have some supernatural experience.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheist's_Wager

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Re: Believe in God...
« Reply #34 on: December 27, 2013, 05:17:40 pm »
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Pepe if you want really to know more, the watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YR0GcJAeAE

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Re: Believe in God...
« Reply #35 on: December 27, 2013, 05:18:44 pm »
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I REALLY want to know... but I NEVER found someone to explain me, ton convince me... I should be happy to believe but, actually, I can't...

Pple who believe...please give me ONE reason and I will convert into your religion, I promise....

I m not moking...
There's only one reason: To ease the pain and fear of death. All of religion's other functions can (and generally are) better fulfilled elsewhere.
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Re: Believe in God...
« Reply #36 on: December 27, 2013, 05:25:38 pm »
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Re: Believe in God...
« Reply #37 on: December 27, 2013, 05:28:50 pm »
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Re: Believe in God...
« Reply #38 on: December 27, 2013, 05:36:01 pm »
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I REALLY want to know... but I NEVER found someone to explain me, ton convince me... I should be happy to believe but, actually, I can't...

Pple who believe...please give me ONE reason and I will convert into your religion, I promise....

I m not moking...

Sure, I can give you a reason.  There are lots of reasons, and everyone is different so maybe everyone has different reasons that motivate them.  But I'll give you one good one that you can think about.  Even though I risk downvotes and ridicule -- because I actually find non-believers more militant in their belief than most religious people.  :)

You obviously have a curious mind, and a critical one, so this is good.  It's necessary for any true faith.  We should understand that something as culturally and historically rich as faith cannot be just swiped away by a comedian with 10 minutes of air time.  This a phenomenon common to all cultures for countless thousands of years and is ingrained into the human psyche.  A few clever jokes isn't going to prove anything --just like this internet post isn't going to prove anything.  You can't prove it, one way or the other.  It's impossible.  Something like the "spiritual" realm that exists outside of space and time also exists outside of the human senses and beyond the reach of tools like logic -- though our senses and logic can still help us here.

This post is getting long already, and I haven't even given the reason yet!  I had to do an introduction, since something like faith/spirituality is so rich and has such a history you can't deal with it using a TL;DR or a flippant joke if you want to seriously consider the possibility of it being legit.  If there is even a tiny possibility of it God real, the tiniest chance that we have a soul that lives forever after we die, then it is literally more important than life and death and we should treat is seriously and respectfully.  Anyone who says there is absolutely no chance that God or religion is real has to re-check their sample size -- because they haven't thought out their position thoroughly and there isn't enough evidence available to say that.  That's why I have respect for agnostics but little patience for true atheists. :)

So this is the reason:  You will die.  We all will.  There is no avoiding it.  Atheists tend to  be (but are not always) young people with little thought towards the end of their life -- and this is normal.  But it is good to come to terms with our mortality and the consequences of it early and often.  When you die, and there is the smallest chance that God has been trying to get you to get to know Him and you've completely ignored him -- you may not be in a good place.  However, if you choose to believe during this life and then you die and it turns out you were wrong -- there are no consequences and you'll just rot in the ground.  You have everything to gain and literally nothing to lose.  This is a common reasoning given during such discussions, and I do not expect you or anyone else to magically believe because of this, but it's a start.  There is little harm in believing, but the potential benefit is unlimited.  It can also have benefits in this life while you're still around.

There are lots of other reasons -- and lots of better reasons to be honest, but maybe this will get you or some other people thinking about the last things when all else passes away.  Good luck to you!
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Re: Believe in God...
« Reply #39 on: December 27, 2013, 05:43:34 pm »
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LOL.. you say the only reason to believe is... the fear of death ? (or after death)

Ok... ok... but I m not scared by death. My corpse will become worm food, dust and mineral things who make trees grow. Who cares ? I will me bead and my children will be still alive... Gentically I will survive inside them (50 % each)

We don't need God or religion to be good men during our life. You can do good things for your children, for your brothers on earth and not just to save your selfish soul !

EDIT : I m not young pple, I have 2 children... believer are children in their mind (mummy-God ! I m scared ! Help me !)

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Re: Believe in God...
« Reply #40 on: December 27, 2013, 05:45:37 pm »
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LOL..the only reason to believe is... the fear of death !

Ok... ok... but I m not scared by death. We don't need God or religion to be good men during our life. You can do good things for your children, for your brothers on earth and not just to save your selfish soul !

You are misunderstanding what is being said, it's a little more complicated that that.  Meme's, clipart, and comedian sound bytes aren't going to do this discussion justice.  You are mocking, and have already made up your mind.
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Re: Believe in God...
« Reply #41 on: December 27, 2013, 05:48:30 pm »
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Re: Believe in God...
« Reply #42 on: December 27, 2013, 05:51:39 pm »
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LOL.. you say the only reason to believe is... the fear of death ? (or after death)
You see only what you want to see. Seems that you just want people to agry with you, you don't want to find the truth or God. You just believe in what fits your life. Put me more infamy Pepe) watch the video)

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Re: Believe in God...
« Reply #43 on: December 27, 2013, 06:22:29 pm »
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George Carlin is what disproves the existence of a god for you? The whole 'lelelel man in the sky dumb fairytales' argument is pretty shortsighted in my opinion. Considering that for an atheist world view you still have to believe in extremely abstract concepts, like a never ending universe or the big bang and a dimension like time. Is a sentient and omnipotent being all that much more ridiculous?
Yes, it is all that much more ridiculous. Big Bang has actual scientific evidence behind it, for example. God has none. Being an atheist doesn't mean you have to believe anything in particular, you just don't believe that a god exists until shown some kind of evidence. Abstract concepts != fairy tales.

And Penitent should read this: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pascal's_wager
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Re: Believe in God...
« Reply #44 on: December 27, 2013, 06:26:52 pm »
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I'm well aware of paschals wager, and I know it's a common formula offered in such discussions like I mentioned.  It's not the only reason, and it's not the best reason, but it can be a good starting point for giving someone a reason to begin thinking about otherworldly things.