How to nerf archery, without destroying it.

[Prpavi]

Why are mongol bows so much better than european gear?

Maybe because they were?

Also you all neglect what was a big factor and a major difference in these 2. The arrows, Mongol Ha and English archers had different type of arrows and were shooting in a different manner so comparing the two is quite silly. As we said many times before if this game was based off realism it would be a completely different game and probably less playable.

[Leshma]

I know they were but in this case I'm not willing to accept realism argument. Looks matters to me and those Mongol Bows make me look like a fool.

I'll probably stick with Bow, despite its shortcomings. Don't want to be one of the steppe archers, we have way too many of those in cRPG.

[kinngrimm]

If some new guy posted this I would take it seriously.

pffff 
so i guess you dont like the idear 

[Joker86]

I don't see a reason to nerf archery at all? 

[Kafein]

I don't see a reason to nerf archery at all? 

That's only assuming you can fix the current problems in some other and more pleasant way.

[Joker86]

That's only assuming you can fix the current problems in some other and more pleasant way.

Since I am no dev I can't. But I do know for sure that if we had 1000 nerfs and the problem still persists, the 1001st nerf won't help either.
Hence don't nerf anything, don't upset a (admittedly huge) part of the community for no good reason, and better find another solution. I think the period for nerfs is over, for a long long time now. The game is definitely overnerfed.

[Ronin]

Since I am no dev I can't. But I do know for sure that if we had 1000 nerfs and the problem still persists, the 1001st nerf won't help either.
Hence don't nerf anything, don't upset a (admittedly huge) part of the community for no good reason, and better find another solution. I think the period for nerfs is over, for a long long time now. The game is definitely overnerfed.

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[Rebelyell]

Since I am no dev I can't. But I do know for sure that if we had 1000 nerfs and the problem still persists, the 1001st nerf won't help either.
Hence don't nerf anything, don't upset a (admittedly huge) part of the community for no good reason, and better find another solution. I think the period for nerfs is over, for a long long time now. The game is definitely overnerfed.

OVER WHAT?

it is crpg forum
am I right?
no?

[Joker86]

OVER WHAT?

it is crpg forum
am I right?
no?

Over the point where it stopped to be reasonable. In old cRPG you felt mighty, but meanwhile we reached a point where melee fights look like slow motion from Matrix, shooting your bow feels like it is a child toy and where horses are as vulnerable as a hummingbird. I think it's time to stop messing around with the item stats and change something on the core of the game, something fundamental, but I fear the time for big changes is over.

[Rebelyell]

cant agree with anyhing
melee is faster that ever was(in upkkep age)
there is shitload of powerfull weapons ingame(imo to powerfull)
archery is far far from UP state

cav... maybe but i cant really tell much now about them

[Kafein]

Since I am no dev I can't. But I do know for sure that if we had 1000 nerfs and the problem still persists, the 1001st nerf won't help either.
Hence don't nerf anything, don't upset a (admittedly huge) part of the community for no good reason, and better find another solution. I think the period for nerfs is over, for a long long time now. The game is definitely overnerfed.

You are ignoring the fact that the very high skill ceiling of melee combat means that melee TTK increased over time, while the low ranged skill ceiling did not let ranged TTK increase. Melee and ranged weapons were nerfed and armor buffed, but ranged had to be nerfed more in order to maintain something vaguely resembling balance when it comes to TTK. If we had bows capable of oneshotting people at 300 meters like in 2010 today, then we'd be in bigger trouble, yet it wasn't that much of a problem back then because melee fights were much shorter too.

[Joker86]

You are ignoring the fact that the very high skill ceiling of melee combat means that melee TTK increased over time, while the low ranged skill ceiling did not let ranged TTK increase. Melee and ranged weapons were nerfed and armor buffed, but ranged had to be nerfed more in order to maintain something vaguely resembling balance when it comes to TTK. If we had bows capable of oneshotting people at 300 meters like in 2010 today, then we'd be in bigger trouble, yet it wasn't that much of a problem back then because melee fights were much shorter too.

Before I write my answer I need something clarified: does TTK mean "time to kill"?

[Kafein]

Before I write my answer I need something clarified: does TTK mean "time to kill"?

Yes

[Joker86]

Yes

Then I have the following answer: if "K" is removed as an absolutely needed condition to win, "TTK" becomes and negligible factor. Hence remove K (=battle mode)

[Kafein]

Then I have the following answer: if "K" is removed as an absolutely needed condition to win, "TTK" becomes and negligible factor. Hence remove K (=battle mode)

That's a bit simplistic. Even if the goal of the game mode becomes flag control or something else, it won't change the fact that to get to that objective you will have to kill people, as well as to prevent the other team to control it. In other words, changing the gamemode will not remove the need to damage and kill some enemy players.