Meanwhile in Ukraine

[Leshma]

Many think that without Putin this wouldn't happen. And they are right. If someone else was in charge this most likely won't happen. Two examples what could happen:

• If Russian president was a western puppet, none of this would happen but I fear that is impossible because Russian people would probably execute such president
• If Russian president wasn't ex-KGB agent but rather some military hothead like Stalin was, this wouldn't happen at all. There would be no infiltration, no sabotage, no insurgents. There would be tanks, thousands of dead people on both sides.

You can hate Putin all you like, but the fact is he stole a country with almost non lethal methods, something only experienced spy can pull of. He trained regular grunts to act like agents ffs. George W. Bush killed millions and achieved nothing...

This is not about Putin or his brainwashing methods. Russians don't like westerners for centuries, it's not something that happened overnight. Therefore it can't be fixed overnight, as Thomek naively believes.

[Vovka]

why u all think what russians dont like westerners  (( ur gov't brainwashing u!
We love ur culture, bubblegum, cities, electrical engineering..... and soon dat all will be ours! 

[Thomek]

I didn't say they don't like westerners. They don't like the west. They are made to believe NATO is a threat, while it has been dismantled in Europe. In stead it has become a geopolitical tool for US.

Nothing wrong with Russian people, and I know Russians and Ukrainians don't have anything against each other, and in many ways are very similar..

Problem is that the propaganda benefits from creating ethnic fear..  Putin wants a weak Ukraine that he can dominate as easily as he have already done.

[Kafein]

This is not about Putin or his brainwashing methods. Russians don't like westerners for centuries, it's not something that happened overnight. Therefore it can't be fixed overnight, as Thomek naively believes.

Russian people and media do not enjoy the same freedom of expression as that of western countries. For this reason it is very difficult to know what the Russian people think about sensitive issues, because there is virtually no civil society.

[Panos_]

Racist person prefers dogs to humans, that's so cliché Panos.

Thanks.

[BIA_ivani4]

Kramotorsk: 

[Vovka]

Russian people and media do not enjoy the same freedom of expression as that of western countries. For this reason it is very difficult to know what the Russian people think about sensitive issues, because there is virtually no civil society.

hey iam here! ask me, ask me!
kalp go away!

[BIA_ivani4]

Free ride all really-free people of Donbass! 

 

[Radament]

Racist person prefers dogs to humans, that's so cliché Panos.

i'm racist too then , fuck humans ! w Furries !

[Armpit_Sweat]

Racist person prefers dogs to humans, that's so cliché Panos.

Thanks.

This passage is from one of my favorite books of all times - "And Quiet Flows The Don". A WW1 senior Cossack is teaching a freshman how to deal with enemies:

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“Человека руби смело. Мягкий он, человек, как тесто, — поучал Чубатый, смеясь глазами. — Ты не думай, как и что. Ты — казак, твое дело — рубить, не спрашивая. В бою убить врага — святое дело. За каждого убитого скащивает тебе бог один грех, тоже как и за змею. Животную без потребы нельзя губить, — телка, скажем, или ишо что, — а человека унистожай. Поганый он, человек.. . Нечисть, смердит на земле, живет вроде гриба-поганки”

"Cut a man down boldly! Man is as soft as dough." A smile came into his eyes. "Don't think about the why and wherefore. You're a Cossack, and it's your business to cut down without asking questions. To kill your enemy in battle is a holy work. For every man you kill - God will wipe out one of your sins, just as he does for killing a serpent. You mustn't kill an animal unless it's necessary, but destroy man! Human's a heathen, unclean; he poisons the earth, he lives like a toadstool!"

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It's not as awesome in Englsih, as it is in Russian though... But yeah, i kind of like dogs more than humans too Does not make me want to kill anyone, but i see nothing wrong in preferring a company of an animal to a company of a human.

[Leshma]

Russian people and media do not enjoy the same freedom of expression as that of western countries. For this reason it is very difficult to know what the Russian people think about sensitive issues, because there is virtually no civil society.

Can't agree with that. You give yourself too much credit. Country where I live in is very similar to Russia in many aspects. But I'm not brainwashed in any way, barely watch local television. Gather almost all information on internet, which is free as a bird in here (Germans can't say the same, for example).

Seems to me that when you say freedom of mind and expression, you will tolerate only one view on things and completely disregard the others. How exactly that makes you different from Russians, aside from taking opposite stances?

[Butan]

Ungr var ek forðum
   fór ek einn saman
   þá varð ek villr vega;
   auðigr þóttumk
   er ek annan fann
   maðr er manns gaman.


I was once young,
   I was journeying alone,
   and lost my way;
   rich I thought myself,
   when I met another.
   Man is the joy of man.

[Corwin]

People's Republic of Odessa? I knew it. The moment I heard Russians were taking over Ukrainian ships in Crimea, I knew that at some point they were going make move to seize the whole coast.

And again, in the East soldiers and officers joining pro-Russians. FSB alone has potential to demolish Ukrainian army from the inside. Putin's plan is playing out.

I think its now just a matter of time before Russian troops cross the border.

Good luck to Ukraine and to all of its people.

[Vovka]

Free ride all really-free people of Donbass! 

"Ukrainian military entered the Kramators'k APCs with the flags of Russia to "partisan way to get into the city," - Sobolev

Head of "Fatherland" in the Verkhovna Rada Serge"


omg! tricky bastards! they outwit Putin, they gave Crimea and eastern Ukraine is given to get the government! they will soon seize power and create the Ukrainian federation! we are dooomed!

[Vovka]

People's Republic of Odessa? I knew it. The moment I heard Russians were taking over Ukrainian ships in Crimea, I knew that at some point they were going make move to seize the whole coast.

And again, in the East soldiers and officers joining pro-Russians. FSB alone has potential to demolish Ukrainian army from the inside. Putin's plan is playing out.

I think its now just a matter of time before Russian troops cross the border.

Good luck to Ukraine and to all of its people.

Dave would not allow it, he Use all his two education to enlighten people on the streets!