Meanwhile in Ukraine

[Falka]

I may be wrong

But probably you're right.

Why did you start discussing it then? What does this post and the following mean? What trick did you mean then?

If you don't know what I meant by that, then I'm afraid I can not help you.

Bydlo is not just an uneducated person. All bydlos are low-educated though, it's just an image of a person who lacks a lot: education, intelligence, manners and kindness in general.

I didn't say that only bydlo voted for him, but it was his main electorate though. And I can do nothing with that, their vote counts in the same way as mine.

Definitely I don't like your attitude.

[Dark_Blade]

damn I just missed your addition. everything in spoiler is pointless then

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I am not saying that you are wrong but thats not everything.
1st. bad examples from people of working class are much more obvious and easy to find.
2nd. thats depends of the popular political preferences in specific regions of ukraine. so on the east - its pro-yanukovich. on the west - its anti-Yanukovich and thats the only difference. this kind of people wont think about it really much, just follow the main stream.
3rd. I cant be sure at all but I think bydlos on the west got only one difference - not all of them from the simple working class(because western ukraine got not as many factorys as on the east). so alot of them a currently unemployed or working at lowerest rank in different places and for different companies.
4th. on the latest president elections most of people found him as the lowerest evil and personally I am still agree with it even now.

[Leshma]

Because that person without formal education is a human being too, being dumber does not make him less so, and hence is allowed to have a say in his own fate just as much as the one who is an educated scientist. Yours is a common complaint, yet it makes no sense. Democracy is not an engineering project where everything must be done according to strict mathematical laws or else, it is a form of government. It doesn't matter how stupid or intelligent someone is, their human value is the same and both have feelings and opinions. The whole point of democracy is the that the people themselves decide how they are ruled; if 51% of the nation think they'd rather not join NATO even if it gets them killed, then so be it, it is the decision of the majority of the people who'll be influenced by said decision. Or, less dramatically, if they decide that they'd rather not have free healthcare, then that is the wish of the people. Intelligence does not come into play.

You sound like a politician, bunch of misplaced words packed together to make it seem smart and convicting. No substance at all in those word, typical populist propaganda.

You know Xant, your only advantage over some of us is your knowledge of english language. Sadly, mine is not good enough to be able to discuss serious topics with you so I rather stay at bay most of the time because I don't want to be ridiculed for my lack of vocabulary and poor grammar, rather than focusing on actual substance and message that stands behind those broken english sentences.

If you think democracy works well, how come most abstinents come from the highly educated group of people and not other way around? Or why don't you ask progressive Turkish youth on this forum what they think about democracy. Yanukovich was elected on democratic elections, you know. So is Erdogan and the rest of tyrants. They always get elected fair and square first time and with a big margin, which is one of the reason why they later get on a ego trip, thinking how they have became gods. There is a reason why there are limits on number of mandates in most countries which practice democracy.

My opinion, based on what I experienced in my country is that democratic elections are waste of time and tax payers money and that government should work in the same way universities function.

[Falka]

Sadly, mine is not good enough to be able to discuss serious topics with you so I rather stay at bay most of the time because I don't want to be ridiculed for my lack of vocabulary and poor grammar, rather than focusing on actual substance and message that stands behind those broken english sentences.

If your english is broken then I don't even want to think how would you describe mine

[Molly]

Funny how Dave said nothing else than "people shouldn't be in positions that require a certain degree of education while this fine lady isn't even able to speak the language of choice in a proper manner and nonetheless sits there now..." and everyone goes on about some democracy bullshit that doesn't even make sense in the context

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Butan, you claim to be unbiased and that you try to see both sides. If you had read my post careful enough, you'd know that I actually do the same without your attitude of trying to convince people... Alas, I couldn't give less fucks about what you think/believe/like. This is some nerdy internet forum. We are all even less than unimportant to each other I am merely trying to have a good time. Just stop trying so hard...

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And he would be right about that. Educated people should support demarchy because it makes more sense than ancient Greek invention called democracy. How can a educated person believe in a voting system where a person who have no formal education and can barely sign his name, is equal with high educated scientist?

Just try to imagine a situation where your university degree depends on opinion of everyone who is attending same university, rather than just a few selected individuals called professors. Sounds mad, isn't it? Well, that's democracy for you.

What the fuck, lol? You got demarchy mixed up with something else, because demarchy is a form of democracy, the original one, invented by the Greeks.

[DaveUKR]

But probably you're right.

If you don't know what I meant by that, then I'm afraid I can not help you.

Definitely I don't like your attitude.

I clearly understand what you meant with that trick. I don't understand how it's connected to me. And you fail to explain only trying to make an evil person out of me, reading it in the way you want to read it. Instead of explaining you only throw insults and claim that I don't understand anything. And what you think is my attitude is not my attitude, you seem like seeing things beyond text that don't exist. Yet you still didn't explain anything after I asked multiple times. This could only mean that you either can't explain it properly or you're "elitist prick with lack of respect" or both.

[Xant]

You sound like a politician, bunch of misplaced words packed together to make it seem smart and convicting. No substance at all in those word, typical populist propaganda.

So I guess this isn't the "I don't get into Internet debates" personality of yours. That's too bad, if the best you can come up with is "you sound like a politician, no substance in the words." How about you try and back up your claims?

I rather stay at bay most of the time because I don't want to be ridiculed for my lack of vocabulary and poor grammar, rather than focusing on actual substance and message that stands behind those broken english sentences.

That right there is some rich fucking irony, considering you aren't discussing the substance of my post at all, only chaining together words with zero information value.

If you think democracy works well, how come most abstinents come from the highly educated group of people and not other way around? Or why don't you ask progressive Turkish youth on this forum what they think about democracy. Yanukovich was elected on democratic elections, you know. So is Erdogan and the rest of tyrants. They always get elected fair and square first time and with a big margin, which is one of the reason why they later get on a ego trip, thinking how they have became gods. There is a reason why there are limits on number of mandates in most countries which practice democracy.

As expected, you completely misunderstand not only my post but democracy as a whole. If Yanukovich was elected by the people and kept in power by the people then they got what they deserved. He is who they wanted. Same for everyone else. Ukraine is an exception in that the country is so absurdly corrupt that an elected official can have such a massive negative impact; in most western countries one person, even one party, can only fuck up so much because one of the characteristics of democratic governments is that power is distributed around evenly and there are checks and balances.

[Falka]

I don't understand how it's connected to me. And you fail to explain

How do I fail to explain when I don't explain at all?

Yet you still didn't explain anything after I asked multiple times. This could only mean that you either can't explain it properly or you're "elitist prick with lack of respect" or both.

Only? I'd say there're basically infinite possiblities explaining why I didn't answer, not only 3 which you mentioned.

[Tovi]

Everybody seems ok to say that Soviet Union was an awful dictatorship. So, what was his legitimity to give Crimea to Ukraine ?
A dictator plays to give and take territories and it's not a problem. A vast majority of a population vote to join Russia and it's a scandal.

[Rumblood]

But US imperialism is not better.

Funny how nobody in Russia was saying that in the 1990's.

For 1991 alone, hard currency aid pledged to the Soviet Union totals $16.9 billion.[

Now that they are back on their feet, they are back to being the same dickheads that they always were. 

[BlindGuy]

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[Tovi]

Funny how nobody in Russia was saying that in the 1990's.

You can consider they were victims of US imperialism. Imperialism is good for the oligarchy,not for peoples (especially in other countries).

[Kuujis]

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Fuck the measurement, I quit when I was identified as a "stupid"  . Was very embarassing .

However -  our armed forces (such as they are) have learned one lesson from all this: "shoot at unidentified heavily armed green men blockading you first, diplomacy later. If you don't shoot - diplomacy will not work..." In fact - UKR army should have blockaded russian bases instantly after the yanukovich fleeing, just to "keep them safe" and inside. The cost of this failure is crimea unfortunately.

[Xant]

I don't understand the whole "you have the right to shoot in self defense now" after one Ukrainian soldier died. So does that mean they were told not to shoot even if they were being shot at...? Wtf?

"Just let them kill you, we here at the capital have decided it would be good for our PR."