Meanwhile in Ukraine

[Leshma]

Totally fuckable. Also Ukraine is now Russian territory.

Reminds me of Catherine Bell from JAG.

[DaveUKR]

Nope, I didn't.

Then explain where you found me discussing her opinion. I asked for it a couple of times already. I'm not afraid to explain why I say this or that and accept that I was wrong. Why should you?

[Dark_Blade]

Dave, I am not interested in this topic that much for it.
10-20 pages ago was almost litterally the phrase "... as well-educated person  *something that you like*".
and your explanation to the word "bydlo"... as you said it a low-educated person. I'll not get a quote cuz it was about 60-80 pages ago.
the thing is most of "bydlos" are low-educated people. but that doesnt means that low-educated people are "bydlos".
I am not sure that people in this topic got the difference.

[Xant]

if we are democratic community let's be tolerant especially if you prefer democracy. otherwise you are contradicting yourself

Being tolerant of others on an internet forum has NOTHING to do with preferring democracy as a form of government. Nothing.

[Butan]

Being tolerant of others on an internet forum has NOTHING to do with preferring democracy as a form of government. Nothing.

Thats the reason you still exist 

[Xant]

Thats the reason you still exist 

That's the reason your mother still exists. 

[Leshma]

because he thinks that all those people who support democracy have doubtful education

And he would be right about that. Educated people should support demarchy because it makes more sense than ancient Greek invention called democracy. How can a educated person believe in a voting system where a person who have no formal education and can barely sign his name, is equal with high educated scientist?

Just try to imagine a situation where your university degree depends on opinion of everyone who is attending same university, rather than just a few selected individuals called professors. Sounds mad, isn't it? Well, that's democracy for you.

[DaveUKR]

Dave, I am not interested in this topic that much for it.
10-20 pages ago was almost litterally the phrase "... as well-educated person  *something that you like*".
and your explanation to the word "bydlo"... as you said it a low-educated person. I'll not get a quote cuz it was about 60-80 pages ago.
the thing is most of "bydlos" are low-educated people. but that doesnt means that low-educated people are "bydlos".
I am not sure that people in this topic got the difference.

I don't think I explained the word bydlo like that in this topic. Bydlo is not just an uneducated person. All bydlos are low-educated though, it's just an image of a person who lacks a lot: education, intelligence, manners and kindness in general.

[Falka]

Then explain where you found me discussing her opinion.

Nowhere? cause I didn't find it at all?

[Dark_Blade]

Being tolerant of others on an internet forum has NOTHING to do with preferring democracy as a form of government. Nothing.

what does this form of government worth if people are following it only at official actions?
yes, its actually enough but "good" and "enough" are different marks.

well I am falling into sophistry so better I leave this conversattion 

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well Dave you did it so. ofc thats not exactlly what did you meant to say but it was so.

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есть у меня одногрупник, который уже полтора года является отсилы недели 2-3 за семестр... уже 4ртый семестр так. я понимаю, что иметь образование и быть образованным это разные вещи, но формально...
бабло побеждает зло. впрочем добро баблу тоже проигрывает.

// sorry if I am wrong but for now I am sure that I remember it right.

[Xant]

And he would be right about that. Educated people should support demarchy because it makes more sense than ancient Greek invention called democracy. How can a educated person believe in a voting system where a person who have no formal education and can barely sign his name, is equal with high educated scientist?

Because that person without formal education is a human being too, being dumber does not make him less so, and hence is allowed to have a say in his own fate just as much as the one who is an educated scientist. Yours is a common complaint, yet it makes no sense. Democracy is not an engineering project where everything must be done according to strict mathematical laws or else, it is a form of government. It doesn't matter how stupid or intelligent someone is, their human value is the same and both have feelings and opinions. The whole point of democracy is the that the people themselves decide how they are ruled; if 51% of the nation think they'd rather not join NATO even if it gets them killed, then so be it, it is the decision of the majority of the people who'll be influenced by said decision. Or, less dramatically, if they decide that they'd rather not have free healthcare, then that is the wish of the people. Intelligence does not come into play.

[Kafein]

Kafein
not just with respect to educated person but without respect to low-educated person is undemocratic.

Fixed that for you.

I may be wrong, but I don't think you understood what "with respect to" was supposed to mean in my sentence. The meaning was purely saying that discriminating based on education is undemocratic. My sentence had nothing to do whatsoever with respect. I hope this cleared that up.

[DaveUKR]

Nowhere? cause I didn't find it at all?

Why did you start discussing it then? What does this post and the following mean? What trick did you mean then?

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For the first time I have to agree with Dark Blade, why does it matter how well she's educated? Lack of acadamic titles doesn't mean that her opinion is worthless. And the opposite, academic degrees don't make your opinion valid. Shitty trick.

well Dave you did it so. ofc thats not exactlly what did you meant to say but it was so.

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есть у меня одногрупник, который уже полтора года является отсилы недели 2-3 за семестр... уже 4ртый семестр так. я понимаю, что иметь образование и быть образованным это разные вещи, но формально...
бабло побеждает зло. впрочем добро баблу тоже проигрывает.

I've just looked through my posts and found my explanation of the word "bydlo" in a post made a month ago. What is wrong with this explanation?

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low educated and bad mannered ignorant alcoholics of working class (called "bydlo" in Ukrainian)

 Also about the text in Russian, I've mentioned this problem today about corruption in our education system. That's why I called that woman low-educated, she has a diploma but has no education.

[Dark_Blade]

ah then maybe I remember it because you said bydlo in one row with low-educated people and working class when you was counting the people who vote for Yanukovich.

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well I am sorry that I said all this to you personally, its low. but I hope here wont be misunderstandings about it at least.

[DaveUKR]

ah then maybe I remember it because you said bydlo in one row with low-educated people and working class when you was counting the people who vote for Yanukovich.

So wasn't I right? I didn't say that only bydlo voted for him, but it was his main electorate though. And I can do nothing with that, their vote counts in the same way as mine.