Meanwhile in Ukraine

[Thomek]

cant agree with thomek because FSB will kill me

lol I see how that read now, and it was an exaggeration. Point is, the way people in power positions, be it a boss or a institution leader (The one on top where I was, was ex-KGB!) , leads to strong self-cencorship among subordinates and students.. You really have to think who listens, before speaking your mind..

Similar stuff still lives on in Poland though, and I guess in most post totalitarian regimes/structures.

[Thomek]

Here is an article written by a guy i know personally, we meet and talk few times a week, he lives in Denmark, but is Ukrainian and been in Ukraine in the late January. Since i was, and am against revolts, we were having some heated discussions, but we keep it civil, as two grown men should
 
It's been posted just yesterday, but since it's related to what happened in January, might be not that relevant... Anyways, thought it might be interesting for someone:
http://universitypost.dk/article/feature-bringing-cash-kiev-ukraine

"I have a task. A little community of my friends here in Copenhagen collected money for Maidan – I’m taking it there. In cash. Opposition accounts are being shut down in Ukraine every day."

Yes, the west paid for maidan.. (But yeah, it's not unlikely they got some suitcases of $$$ from the US embassy either.. )

[Tibe]

you dont know what are you talking about. check what is  politcal party named as  "Svoboda". ideolagy, historical point of view and their actions(political, social etc).

Point taken. There's not 0% proof. More like 5-10% then i suppose, they are in the UKR goverment. But they arent the leading party. Definately not enough to call the whole goverment na zis.

[Butan]

Thomek, I hope you understand that your personal life experience cannot justify putting a stick on whole countries. Thats like saying Putin is a cookie lover because he uses military force instead of covert ops / diplomacy (oh shit everyone already did).


Still is interesting to hear point of views from persons who went in aforementioned places, but I take it with a pinch of salt. Especially when you see people having their feeling bundled in by nationalistic ideas.

[Logen]

You really have to think who listens, before speaking your mind..

As in any society, no? People lost jobs in the western world for their political views, its not uncommon.

[Dark_Blade]

Point taken. There's not 0% proof. More like 5-10% then i suppose, they are in the UKR goverment. But they arent the leading party. Definately not enough to call the whole goverment na zis.

check the "Right sector" then.

as I already said - all this things with nationalism are not as bad as russian media trying to show and surelly not enough for russian invading, but that doesnt makes them better.

[Kuujis]

Thomek, I hope you understand that your personal life experience cannot justify putting a stick on whole countries. Thats like saying Putin is a cookie lover because he uses military force instead of covert ops / diplomacy (oh shit everyone already did).
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While it works both ways I guess, one can't argue that "point is proved only if 100% proven accurate". An example cant prove a rule, thats true. However - when in doubt - do you start fighting to prove your point?

[Thomek]

As in any society, no? People lost jobs in the western world for their political views, its not uncommon.

Sure my father was blacklisted. He was a communist. But that was in the cold war, not so anymore.

@Butan
The truth is the first victim of a war.. I rely on what I saw and heard when I was in Russia when I make up my judgment of the state. I love and respect Russian people and their characters though, don't get me wrong here. They have many good qualities and the ones I've met are intelligent and aware of the world. Overall, like in most post-soviet countries, the elder generations especially are a bit damaged and hardened by their experiences.

[Falka]

Kuujis, drop that stupidly hostile attitude, will ya? How old are you?

Why should he? And why does it matter how old he is ?

Mind you I live in one of the poorest Polish cities.

Which one?

[Thomek]

Time for some personal speculation.. May be far off of course, input welcome.

I think Crimea has been the target of Russia since the end of the Soviet union, and they have just waited patiently for the time to strike.

I used to play a russian developed flight sim back in the day, SU-27 from 96 I believe. It was set in Crimea, and Crimea was the only map. I mean, it was pretty clear to me that even back then, they were practicing and researching and simulating different scenarios for how to take it back. The speed and smoothness in which they have now taken it, supports this theory.

To me, it seems they have just taken a fitting plan from the drawer now that Ukraine is in a weak position. The way that Ukraine has become weak is irrelevant for their plans.

It can even be argued that Crimea "belongs" to Russia more than Ukraine, and I wouldn't disagree completely.. Still, letting Russia just annex part of another civilized country is not something that can be accepted by the world.

[Gnjus]

Sure my father was blacklisted. He was a communist.

Son of a commie, how nice. 

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Now I see why you're such a good admin, I'd be glad to fight shoulder to shoulder with you against the likes of right-wing trash like Panos. 

[Christo]

Still, letting Russia just annex part of another civilized country is not something that can be accepted by the world.

That will cost a lot of badboy points

[okiN]

Son of a commie, how nice. 

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Now I see why you're such a good admin, I'd be glad to fight shoulder to shoulder with you against the likes of right-wing trash like Panos. 

Haven't you been paying attention? We're all communists.

Except Paul, he's an honest-to-goodness chocolate chip cookie.

[Gnjus]

Haven't you been paying attention? We're all communists.

I rarely follow politics crap, the only reason I ever started paying attention to this thread was because at one point I accidentally saw a latest post was made by ivani4 so I just had to click on it. The rest is history. 

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That said: some people here should really cool off and hold their horses, politics is bad for their health. 

[okiN]

Not talking about this thread, but I've lost track of the times Panos has called me a communist for criticizing Golden Dawn.