Meanwhile in Ukraine

[Butan]

Supporting Maidan isn't the same as, like you said, "placing puppet new government".

You're quite right, and I exagerated to prove my point. But except for the modus operandi, the final intended result is the same.

[Kalp]

there was third side that was shooting both police and protesters and that side is not ukrainian

Russian tourists 

[Molly]

Russian tourists 

Can't be - the traces of empty vodka bottles would have been a dead give away.

[Xant]

Two sides are not equal just because there are two sides to an argument. That's like comparing evolution and young earth creationism and arguing that they are equally legitimate. Sure, the truth is more complex than one biased view or the other, sometimes, but that doesn't make them equally wrong. To utter a quote I can't find back: "Criticizing a system of two colors, you replace it with a system of one color".

    The Sophisticate:  "The world isn't black and white.  No one does pure good or pure bad. It's all gray.  Therefore, no one is better than anyone else."
    The Zetet:  "Knowing only gray, you conclude that all grays are the same shade.  You mock the simplicity of the two-color view, yet you replace it with a one-color view..."
      —Marc Stiegler, David's Sling

[Butan]

There exist 50 shades of grey 

[Molly]

Butan, you're barking up 2 different trees here:

The Maydan movement/government of Ukraine and possible relations to the EU/to Russia are completely unrelated to the Russian forces and the violation of Ukraines borders.

Change of government, and it doesn't really matter how this happens, does not change the borders of a country. It's that simple.

So, discussing who's worse is nonsense when you make a correlation of 2 completely different things.

[Awea]

Please stop useless real riot and trow flowers instead. only flowers FTW ;) I'm sorry for all I've done here.

[Kafein]

The simple fact that you entirely doubt over the plausability of USA/EU having chipped in proves my point

Where's the evidence? That the EU and USA were approving the protesters or even biasing the media reports of it to make it look like the police were awful and the protesters were carebears doesn't mean they actually supported them physically. There was some violence against the pro-Yanukovitch entities, but hardly anything that could not have been done without exterior support, so if the protesters received anything from the EU, they didn't use it. Maybe the EU and US tried to covertly destabilize the country after Yanukovitch's derps, but I doubt they would have done that given that at the time an uprising seemed unlikely.

[Segd]

Can't be - the traces of empty vodka bottles would have been a dead give away.

Guilty as charged:

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[Xant]

If the snipers were shooting at both sides, how come there's plenty of video footage of them laying on the ground right next to the police officers? You'd think they would have had something to say about that if the sniper sometimes did a 180' and started taking potshots at them.

[Molly]

Not necessarily every sniper had been caught on camera...

...guess you'll never see actual snipers before the shot.

[Segd]

Btw, prime minister of Ukraine, going to Brussel by budget class flight:
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Could be a populizm, but I like Pope Francis-style better than this:

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[Dark_Blade]

Butan, you're barking up 2 different trees here:

The Maydan movement/government of Ukraine and possible relations to the EU/to Russia are completely unrelated to the Russian forces and the violation of Ukraines borders.

Change of government, and it doesn't really matter how this happens, does not change the borders of a country. It's that simple.

So, discussing who's worse is nonsense when you make a correlation of 2 completely different things.

its the second "battle" but both are parts of one "war", "war" for controling the zone which is being called as "Ukraine"

[Erasmas]

Guilty as charged:

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Hm. Inconclusive IMHO. Not a single decent bottle of vodka there. What the fuck are you guys drinking over there??? 

[Dark_Blade]

I think vodka will be banned in ukraine because its too russian, and we, ukrainians, as european democratic civilized nation wont drink communist shit.