Meanwhile in Ukraine

[okiN]

Oh boy, here we go.

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[Kuujis]

Oh, someone (with fake titles or not) who say putin is le bad and need to be killed militarily, so counter-mainstream 

Also point 1 of his article was the same argument used to excuse violence from maidan demo... love how conspiracy theories are accepted only when it fits your political side... its growing old.

ASSUMING the given credentials are right, and assuming this is not fake http://www.eastcapital.com/ja-JP/Corporate/Press-Room/Press-Releases/East-Capital-Financials-Fund-sells-holding-in-Platinum-Bank-Ukraine/, you are calling a CEO of  Top 5 Banks in Ukraine a conspiracy theorist... Also - provocations and immitations of this kind are far from uncommon when talking about Russia. It has quite a history for putting low value on human life (starting with "penal batalions", ending with forced exile of whole nations, belogomor and the like).

I would rather call you an uninformed regular western EU citizen who CANNOT imagine such things to be true. And somehow - I believe I am closer to truth, sorry 

Oh boy, here we go.

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Do you know Catherine or that other Estonian guy? Can you recognize them by voice? From my POV - too good to be true, but I really can't tell... For all I care - the guy may have been fed bull shit on his trip and then reporting this shit forward... which ofc would be quite convenient for putler.

[[ptx]]

Oh, someone (with fake titles or not) who say putin is le bad and need to be killed militarily, so counter-mainstream 

Also point 1 of his article was the same argument used to excuse violence from maidan demo... love how conspiracy theories are accepted only when it fits your political side... its growing old.

You're trying very hard to equalize both sides in this conflict, as if both had the exact same amount of truth to them and both stood on the same moral ground. But what if they simply don't?

[Corwin]

@Prpavi

Fake. Or at least this guy who has a diploma in international relations doesn't know how UN operate. For UN to send NATO troops as observers it would be necessary to have a decision of Security Council, in which both Russia and China have veto right.

And this part about Ukraine developing nuclear weapons in couple of months and then waging nuclear war is just crazy.

[Dark_Blade]

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as I already said - I dislike the fact of russian invading but because I am scared of results... from little conflict to ww 3. but its not about emotions...
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all ukraine should wait for president's voting and then it will be totally another deal. current official president lost all his legitimate, new, temporary leaders are not legitimated yet... the country is actually frozen till the voting... there is no such things as idependent ukraine for now... only the region between russia and EU with pupet eu temporary leaders.

and yeah, Prpavi, only full retard will call peacemakers to his land.

[Butan]

You're trying very hard to equalize both sides in this conflict, as if both had the exact same amount of truth to them and both stood on the same moral ground. But what if they simply don't?

Very good question, and quite impossible to answer without all-seeing-eyes unfortunately. Thats like asking if god exist or not? Some are ready to believe without the slightest proof, some deny the possibility of such a thing even if they saw miracles. I accept the possibility it might be true.

I'm prone to believe there is individuals which are more inclined to do evil things than others, but I dont believe in "good vs evil" cold war theory. Especially when you see that people always deem themselves good, and the others evil. How can millions of Russian can end up being more evil than millions of Ukrainians? They are all humans.



A french comedian once said about war and fights: 

The enemy is stupid: he believes we are the enemy while he obviously is.

[Teeth]

Putin is pulling some Sudetenland level shit here and you can be all clever and take every headline with a pinch of salt, but regardless through which news source you look at it, a foreign army is occupying the territory of another nation and that is in no way justifiable. Butan, Russia is the bad guy here, sorry to break it to you.

[Kafein]

Very good question, and quite impossible to answer without all-seeing-eyes unfortunately. Thats like asking if god exist or not? Some are ready to believe without the slightest proof, some deny the possibility of such a thing even if they saw miracles. I accept the possibility it might be true.

I'm prone to believe there is individuals which are more inclined to do evil things than others, but I dont believe in "good vs evil" cold war theory. Especially when you see that people always deem themselves good, and the others evil. How can millions of Russian can end up being more evil than millions of Ukrainians? They are all humans.



A french comedian once said about war and fights: 

The enemy is stupid: he believes we are the enemy while he obviously is.

Two sides are not equal just because there are two sides to an argument. That's like comparing evolution and young earth creationism and arguing that they are equally legitimate. Sure, the truth is more complex than one biased view or the other, sometimes, but that doesn't make them equally wrong. To utter a quote I can't find back: "Criticizing a system of two colors, you replace it with a system of one color".

[Osiris]

Russia is the bad guy for sure but then again the USA UK etc are not exactly good guys when it comes to invasions.

So far there hasn't been much bloodshed and sanctions? well i know the UK is against most economic sanctions for sure

[Falka]

ofc Poland is gonna be agains everything Russia does, this has nothing to do with Ukraine. They are not for Ukraine, they are simply against Russia.

It's not the whole truth. Yes, poles don't like, hate or are afraid of Russia and since in last 5 centuries Russia was always our enemy it's quite understandable I think. But there's also a lot of warm feelings toward ukraine. Not only now but also during orange revolution a few years ago polish society was supporting ukraine.

[Molly]

Okay I know this is serious and all but the russian and ukrainian soldier's chat was so bizarre it was fun

-The tall one was ripping shit up
  -The cossack?
 -Yeah the cossack, who the fuck knows who he is
  -What a fucking weirdo.

First part of those... haven't seen it posted yet.

[Butan]

But there's also a lot of warm feelings toward ukraine. Not only now but also during orange revolution a few years ago polish society was supporting ukraine.

Because orange revolution was anti-Ianoukovitch-Russia already so your point is invalid.
Maidan is round 2 of orange revolution after Ianoukovitch-Russia won the election again against Iouchtchenko-Tymochenko-Europe in 2010 and the subsequent events.


I dont want to philosophe that much on a concrete thing like what Ukraine is going through, I prefer to add one more question : if its highly probable that Russia is bullshitting to the max to gain undeserved benefits in Ukraine, why shouldnt it be highly probablt that Europe/USA was bullshitting to the max behind the scene for Maidan to be successful to gain undeserved benefits in Ukraine?

One side avoided proper election to place puppet new government in Kiev by using escalated protests, the other avoided proper referendum/sovereignty principle to place puppet new government in Simferopol by using army: who is good, who is evil?

[serr]

Do you really not see the difference between some shady business behind the scene and military intrusion?

[Falka]

why shouldnt it be highly probablt that Europe/USA was bullshitting to the max behind the scene for Maidan to be successful to gain undeserved benefits in Ukraine?

One side avoided proper election to place puppet new government in Kiev by using escalated protests, the other avoided proper referendum/sovereignty principle to place puppet new government in Simferopol by using army: who is good, who is evil?

What? Eu and USA established new ukrainian government? Right...  It's good to have pro EU government in Kiev and not Janukowycz, but let's not exaggerate, it doesn't make much difference, whoever rules in ukraine gas and oil will be transported to europe anyway.

[Teeth]

Because orange revolution was anti-Ianoukovitch-Russia already so your point is invalid.
Maidan is round 2 of orange revolution after Ianoukovitch-Russia won the election again against Iouchtchenko-Tymochenko-Europe in 2010 and the subsequent events.


I dont want to philosophe that much on a concrete thing like what Ukraine is going through, I prefer to add one more question : if its highly probable that Russia is bullshitting to the max to gain undeserved benefits in Ukraine, why shouldnt it be highly probablt that Europe/USA was bullshitting to the max behind the scene for Maidan to be successful to gain undeserved benefits in Ukraine?

One side avoided proper election to place puppet new government in Kiev by using escalated protests, the other avoided proper referendum/sovereignty principle to place puppet new government in Simferopol by using army: who is good, who is evil?

Even using your incorrect profiling of the protests, Russia is the most evil.