Meanwhile in Ukraine

[Corwin]

This is fucking civil war, that's what it is.

[[ptx]]

Insane...

[Butan]

I never thought a european "ruler" would really start to kill his own people. I mean, I expect it from every ruler outside of north america and europe, but this is just fucked up. 

Implying a european ruler should just lay down his power when part of the population burn and shoot his shit up for random reasons.


Some of these reasons may be right, may be wrong, I'm not saying whats happening should or shouldnt happen : IT IS happening. But the "illusion" of a government that shouldnt defend against its own kind is only the result of piss poor mainstream media reports. There has been, there is, and there will be internal conflicts.

[Christo]

Fuck..

Ukrainian people stay strong.

[Dark_Blade]

are you kidding me??? at Tuesday demonstrators wanted to capture the building of parlament! in this day some of demonstrators was using firearms, not police! in Lviv at last 2-3 days "demonstrators" was attacking and capturing  military buildings, administrative building on the western ukraine... is it democrative to attack the military building? by the soldiers codex military forces was allowed to open fire actually... but they didnt.
at last days this bunch of rebels is trying to attack and capture Kiev... yes its a civil war which was started by very agressive "demonstrators"... so what the hell are you talking about?
in all this situation I see one huge fault of Yanukovich - he is still trying to keep this in peaceful way because he is scared of foreign forces.

I never thought a european "ruler" would really start to kill his own people. I mean, I expect it from every ruler outside of north america and europe, but this is just fucked up. 

why you are not talking about dead policemen? about that man who was killed at Tuesday by angry demonstrators? why? they are not cintizen of ukraine??? they are REAL citizen of ukraine. especially policemen who died for ukraine, for the country who they sworn to prtorect.
thos demonstrators are destroying their own country capital and provoking and carring out the violence! dont you see it??? 

[Corwin]

This definately looks like a beginig of a lovely civil war.

From BBC:

13:53: BREAKING: Ukrainian police given firearms and will use them in accordance with the law, says Acting Interior Minister of Ukraine Vitaliy Zakharchenko, according to Reuters.


Don't worry Dark Blade, I am sure that you will soon, together with east part of the country, be in a warm Putin's embrace. Because it's Russia that will profit from all of this.

[Radament]

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/promintv

what are they discussing about?  :

*streamer is pretty hot 

it seems a sort of a try of truce between militia and protesters...
ple someone that speak that language enlighten me

[enigmatic_stranger]

it's Russia that will profit from all of this.

How?

[Corwin]

The country will split in two, Eastern part with Krimea entering into some sort of confederation with Russia, something like Belarus. Boom, they gained half of Ukraine with majority of population.

[serr]

Both protesters and government are doing shit that can destroy our country.
Government's guilt is bigger only because it is government - they by definition are responsible for situation in country.

[Dark_Blade]

Don't worry Dark Blade, I am sure that you will soon, together with east part of the country, be in a warm Putin's embrace. Because it's Russia that will profit from all of this.

thats why I was against maydan from the start. seems its really going to be same like about 100 years ago - Z(W)UNR and UNR and let it be. let all this collaborator scum stick in another country and sing about their heroic traiotors on another TV channels.  but the trouble is how much terriotory will be in the western side?

Because it's Russia that will profit from all of this.

and thats why russia is doing nothing but whole europe and chocolate american leader are trying to control ukrainian goverment, eh?
I dislike everything what gives a quack to me. I hate ukraine but I dislike every other country what trying to do something to my country because it will touch me apriory and i dont know any country what really care about ukraine and ukrainian citizen. all this is just politics, just social sphere.
I dislike this situation because I dont want to be in the country hated by the europe.

Government's guilt is bigger only because it is government - they by definition are responsible for situation in country.

well as you can see better all this get end at that winters night where peaceful demonstration was beaten by inhumane "Berkut".
was possible to finish it in peaceful way but leaders of maydan showed how useless they are. they had time and it was possible to finish all this but they wanted more power. and at Tuesday they started to fight inside "Rada" as it usually happens.
as I already said some time ago - Maydan wasnt made as peaceful demonstration. the target of demonstration was changing the president and government without constitutional reasons. its a rebelion and its a crime. are those actions are legal and democrative? freedom means anarchey not democracy. if you dont think so - you probably dont know what is freedom.

[Molly]

The country will split in two, Eastern part with Krimea entering into some sort of confederation with Russia, something like Belarus. Boom, they gained half of Ukraine with majority of population.

On one point I actually agree with DarkBlade (hate to admit it) but the EU/US don't really give a damn about any civilians killed or war-like scenarios happening in a neighbouring country. There are rock-solid economical interests at work. Cheap labourers, a new market to sell their shit in...

Guess we all have to wait how it plays out, right? 3 likely scenarios, right? Ukraine becomes either Russian or European or they'll split it in half. Though the latter one is probably less likely to happen compared to the other two.

And what is this anyway? Some weird Arab-Spring copy?
When you take a look at Tunisia or Egypt: What did they gain with their super-uber revolution? Nothing. On the contrary, most common folks are off worse than before in both countries. Not to mention Syria. Jesus, they're royally fucked over there.

I wonder what those people on the Maydan expect to achieve or gain. Not "for the country" - which is a stupid statement in itself - but personally. Any ideas?

[Kafein]

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On one point I actually agree with DarkBlade (hate to admit it) but the EU/US don't really give a damn about any civilians killed or war-like scenarios happening in a neighbouring country. There are rock-solid economical interests at work. Cheap labourers, a new market to sell their shit in...

Guess we all have to wait how it plays out, right? 3 likely scenarios, right? Ukraine becomes either Russian or European or they'll split it in half. Though the latter one is probably less likely to happen compared to the other two.

And what is this anyway? Some weird Arab-Spring copy?
When you take a look at Tunisia or Egypt: What did they gain with their super-uber revolution? Nothing. On the contrary, most common folks are off worse than before in both countries. Not to mention Syria. Jesus, they're royally fucked over there.

I wonder what those people on the Maydan expect to achieve or gain. Not "for the country" - which is a stupid statement in itself - but personally. Any ideas?

You would have said the same about the French Revolution, or the American War of Independence. It's always a "dirty" business, to say the least, and a peaceful transition is always better. For example, if Yanukovitch actually backed down, organised elections or something like that instead of going all Tiananmen Square on the protesters.

[Segd]

Some berkut forces are defecting from Yanukovich
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKcG11a5HxI

and thats why russia is doing nothing but whole europe and chocolate american leader are trying to control ukrainian goverment, eh?

Except from starting all this shit by making Yanukovich Putin's bitch & giving him almost one olympiard $ for abandoning Euro integration. Sure, Russia has nothing to do with all protests. Blame evil Angela Merkel 

[Kirman]

I've read an article about protests since i don't know anything about Ukraine's politics. It's sad that i can't get enough information cause of the language.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/01/29/ukraine-and-the-rebirth-of-fascism/