Meanwhile in Ukraine

[Xant]

It's quite evident for the ceremony. You need the corpse to bury, burn, offer to wild animals, whatever. For the mourning, it helps.

You can just bury the coffin, same difference.

[Kafein]

You can just bury the coffin, same difference.

There's a psychological difference, just like for the mourning

[Segd]

Shit got real
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[Torben]

[Berserkadin]

Some other clips and info in this link.
http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine-police-clash-protesters/25267638.html

The cops seems suprisingly passive and overwhelmed, it's usually the other way around, they're getting mangled. Can't really say I've ever seen cops getting this fucked up by protesters before.

[Xant]

There's a psychological difference, just like for the mourning

Only for stupid people.

[Torben]

Is there anything an average joe from another european country could do to help in this conflict?  Would it even be possible to get in there and help providing first aid or what not?

[Corwin]

Live stream: http://www.ustream.tv/near?latitude=50.4333&longitude=30.5167#/channel/euromaydan-falcon

[Corwin]

Is there anything an average joe from another european country could do to help in this conflict?  Would it even be possible to get in there and help providing first aid or what not?

Doubtful that anyone apart from Russia can do anything in sense to influence Yanukovich. I am really surprised that it lasts this long. I don't think that the current situation will last much longer. Either police will give up, or this is going to spiral out of control very fast. If more protesters had any weapons, I am sure they would use it at this point. The army is still out of this conflict, hopefully they will stay out or number of dead is going to grow very fast.

[Sniger]

So if I understood correctly, The protestors started with occupying important governmental buildings? No fucking wonder the police intervened. Any self-respecting government, whether good or bad wouldn't allow their governmental buildings and workers to be denied from working. It would have been another thing if the protests started peacefully and was a protest and not a coup-attempt.

I feel sorry for the police here. I'm also suprised they are so passive. Some of them are even taken, dafuq. I know that in Sweden when a police officer was injured they opened fire with live ammunition (Gothenburg riot).

not taking any sides but its GF also i believe so far about 8 dead demos and only 6 dead cops so the round still goes to cops :p

[Torben]

not taking any sides but its GF also i believe so far about 8 dead demos and only 6 dead cops so the round still goes to cops :p

considering that real people are dying this is a weird thing to say.

[Sniger]

are you for real? people die all over the world every single second due to shit like this and similar, why is this any different?

sure its sad, but someone have still created a post showing all the horrible shit

[Butan]

What Torben meant is if there is non-Ukrainian people providing first aid, and yes there is, you can even see them in most videos. Also saw a lot of them on TV, mostly associative staff, but I'm sure noone cares if a no-name comes and help by now.


8 demo dead and 6 cops? Where do those numbers come from?
If its a reliable source of information, I would also like to hear about the number of wounded.

[Torben]

are you for real?

doesnt feel right to me joke about who's side is winning by bringing up death counts.  whatever.

[Osiris]

http://news.sky.com/story/1214512/police-firing-live-rounds-at-kiev-protesters

Shit took a turn for the worse it seems

A sniper is spotted "picking off" protesters as police are forced on to the back foot before launching a counter attack.
At least 25 people have reportedly been killed after police fired live rounds at protesters near Independence Square in Kiev.

The Reuters news agency said a photographer reported seeing bodies covered with blankets following the gunfire. AFP is reporting that at least 25 people are dead.

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