Meanwhile in Ukraine

[Tovi]

Crimea has always been military base for Russia !

A referendum to reunite a country is not exactly an "invasion" anyway.

[Kafein]

You keep talking like that referendum was legitimate. Obviously enough, it wasn't, and even the UN made a statement about it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_68/262

[DaveUKR]

...many deathsquad leaders (aka “volunteer battalion commanders”)... especially Lyashko.

 

[Tovi]

Everything I said about McCain, the NED and HK is in the Washington Post (a conspiracy media ??) : http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-now-admits-it-is-funding-occupy-central-in-hong-kong/5405680

Make your own opinion, use your mind before insulting.

[Kafein]

Everything I said about McCain, the NED and HK is in the Washington Post (a conspiracy media ??) : http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-now-admits-it-is-funding-occupy-central-in-hong-kong/5405680

Make your own opinion, use your mind before insulting.

I would personally donate in support of the Honk Kong movements because I think the mainland is trying to undermine their democratic freedoms. I don't see why it's a problem if the US (or any other country for that matter) does it.

So... what? What does that have to do with Russia fabricating an uprising from the ground up and fueling the war in Eastern Ukraine with professional soldiers, weapons and equipment? Invading Ukraine with its army, organizing a phony referendum and then rigging it?

[Oberyn]

The ongoing consolidation of power in Russia goes completely ignored. It's more and more a dictatorship. Crying crocodile tears about "fascists" in Ukraine governement having 2 percent of parliamentary seats while their own political landscape is completely devoid of any opposition to Putin's extremely nationalist inspired stranglehold. More media control, more control over the internet, more censorship, more government propaganda, tens of thousands of political refugees fleeing blatant political repression.
We've gotten to the point where funding pro-democracy movements = fascism, and top down centralized dictatorship = freedom. It's fucking orwellian.

[DonNicko]

The ongoing consolidation of power in Russia goes completely ignored. It's more and more a dictatorship. Crying crocodile tears about "fascists" in Ukraine governement having 2 percent of parliamentary seats while their own political landscape is completely devoid of any opposition to Putin's extremely nationalist inspired stranglehold. More media control, more control over the internet, more censorship, more government propaganda, tens of thousands of political refugees fleeing blatant political repression.
We've gotten to the point where funding pro-democracy movements = fascism, and top down centralized dictatorship = freedom. It's fucking orwellian.

You are late a little bit with this statements

[Butan]

Its funny that you start your listing with "Ukraine has 2% far-rights seats" (closer to 10%) and go on to name Putin extremely nationalist while his party's credo is centrist conservatism and the closest political entity to your little tirade have about 15% seats and no real power. It's fucking orwellian 

The ongoing consolidation of power in Russia goes completely ignored.

We indeed largely ignore the issue that when someone wins an election multiple times in a row, they stay in power. I dont understand  why



We've gotten to the point where I give you your ball back, go play with your friends and re-build the cold war from bottom to top!

[Oberyn]

Butan, please go back to bathing in the cock sweat of propaganda put out by the russian government. Your whiny tirades about horrible western "agression" and innocent, democratic Russia merely defending it's interests have grown tepid and boring. If any western government did even a quarter of the blatant fascist shit Russia does in it's own land to it's own citizens (ignoring, oh I dunno, little things like military annexation of a neighbor they had a disarmament/non-agression pact with, using ethnic nationalist motives on the level of the fucking Suddetenland annexation) you wouldn't be able to stop emo-ing and whining about how evil and fascist and imperialist it all is.
If anyone has restarted the Cold War it's the fucking dictator for life of "democratic" Russia, a fucking ex-KGB agent who's propaganda techniques consist of parading and reminding every slight and insult noble Rus has ever suffered, ESPECIALLY in the aftermath of the Cold War, and built his popular success on "getting even" for it. Spare me your condescension, I consider your perspective about a few steps above that of Tovi.

[Tibe]

You are late a little bit with this statements

Pretty much yea, been happening for a decade now.

If anyone has restarted the Cold War it's the fucking dictator for life of "democratic" Russia, a fucking ex-KGB agent who's propaganda techniques consist of parading and reminding every slight and insult noble Rus has ever suffered, ESPECIALLY in the aftermath of the Cold War, and built his popular success on "getting even" for it. Spare me your condescension, I consider your perspective about a few steps above that of Tovi.

Meh, another president wouldnt really change much. The public has been brainwashed very hard to believe that they need nothing but a strong hand in ruling and all pro-West is evil. By those 2 facts the russians will never vote(if they could legimately) someone with actual brains. They will just choose the agressive lots-of-yelling, #Russiastronk types of politicians. All of this crap is hardly on Putin alone. A considerable amount of people are even quite pissed at Putin cause he hasnt fully invaded anything yet. This is what happens when your propaganda is so freaking successful that it even backfires.

[The_Bloody_Nine]

ok anuran, your answer seems less moronic, contrary to Tovi you certainly seem to be able to do a normal discussion. Still I can't believe someone sane would attend to these Montagsdemos from what I saw or heard.

Isn't that how it is? Isn't there always a small group of people responsible of such things?

I believe exactly the opposite on many important historical events is the case. Of course there are these small groups of power, but within the interference between these groups and 'unimportant' individuals as well as other random circumstances there is so much unpredictable complex stuff going on.

Best example of course is the ongoing discussion since centuries about the responsibility of WWI. Personally I would still give Germany much of the blame and think the currently popular opinion in line with Christopher Clarks "Sleepwalkers" trivializes the german guilt a bit too much, but there is no doubt the whole thing is a huge complex apparatus with many sides to blame and bad luck playing it's role. And definitely no one at that time had an idea of the complexity or the consequences of their actions.

If you understand the basics of the economical system we all currently suffer from, you will understand the connections between all this. The higher the debt the more do the people suffer. Look at Greece, the € is killing Greece's economy.

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This is just so dumb again, you are simplifying things way too much. Do you really think things works so easy? The world's problems explained in an equation with 2 parameters? come on.

[Butan]

Your whiny tirades about horrible western "agression" and innocent, democratic Russia merely defending it's interests have grown tepid and boring.

Not so boring that it doesnt trigger a mental breakdown from the most reasonable poster of that thread

No one person said the words you are putting in my mouth, you are merely using anything contrary to your opinion as an excuse to eject your densely packed thoughts into a condensed pile of shitposts, like always. In that you are very skilled (I still think you could make some effort to pretend to debate?), but the violence and nonsensicality of your speeches makes me think you need some time-off and possibly appointments with specialists  have you been raped by a bearded communist from the KGB in your tender age?


Spare me your emotional responses, I consider you are a few step above the level of russian propaganda in its stubborn bullshitery.

A considerable amount of people are even quite pissed at Putin cause he hasnt fully invaded anything yet.

Yes, because Putin isnt the extremely nationalist warmonger that the very smarter not-at-all-brainwashed people from the western world thinks he is. The reasons that Putin is still in power isnt because he is the strong handed torture specialist ex-KGB agent world dictator that we paint him to be, he strikes a balance between capitalism/expansionism economy of the far righties and socialism statism from the far-lefties: if the post-USSR russian people votes for him, it might be for reasons that are good for them, dont you think?

[Tibe]

Fuck it! Stay in your  basement you call France and assume shit over actual opinions of people who deal with this shit daily, Butan. This is pointless. Here, have worldballs:

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[Oberyn]

I have no interest in "debating" in this thread, shitposting is all it's good for. Your game of playing fallacy of the middle ground between the "west" and RF is old and tired. Keep defending the "democracy" that is increasingly consolidating and centralizing power and control over all forms of media backed by populist rage and military masturbation while hilariously claiming "fascism" and brainwashing in the "west" is just as bad. Gorbachev and the end of the Cold War was their "Versailles Treaty", and Putin rode the disastifaction and frustrated national ego to his current position. It's not even close to the apogee yet.

[Christo]

I have no interest in "debating" in this thread, shitposting is all it's good for. Your game of playing fallacy of the middle ground between the "west" and RF is old and tired. Keep defending the "democracy" that is increasingly consolidating and centralizing power and control over all forms of media backed by populist rage and military masturbation while hilariously claiming "fascism" and brainwashing in the "west" is just as bad. Gorbachev and the end of the Cold Wa

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