Meanwhile in Ukraine

[Tovi]

My post was not about RT but about  Udo Ulfkotte. And all you can say is " baaaa, RT is shit". Without any proof, because, obviously, RT is actually the only media to give voice to this journalist.
Where is your logic ?   

[DaveUKR]

The problem is that you just don't know why Russia is the biggest threat to European people and US is our saviour.
So, now you can trust CNN and stop your stupid racism against anything coming from US. Because this racism is Russian propaganda. Believe it or not, you are under influence.

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I see what you did there. Nice edit Tovi. As I've said, it's a pity that you became pro-american, seriously, I had a much better opinion about you.

[Christo]

The problem is that you just don't know who is Udo Ulfkotte.
If you read german you can read his book here : http://www.amazon.de/Gekaufte-Journalisten-Udo-Ulfkotte/dp/3864451434
So, now you can trust RT and stop your stupid racism against anything coming from Russia. Because this racism is US propaganda. Believe it or not, you are under influence.

If you just think about it, you will under understand why he can speaks on RT and not on Fox News or CNN.

He is the same kind of moron like you, only on television

[Kuujis]

My post was not about RT but about  Udo Ulfkotte. And all you can say is " baaaa, RT is shit". Without any proof, because, obviously, RT is actually the only media to give voice to this journalist.
Where is your logic ?   

Lets see: there is an idiot and only shit-news-channel like RT gives him air-time. Why is it so... indeed... why... THERE is your logic 

[Tovi]

The career of this "idiot" is much more interesting than yours.
My logic is : when the wise man shows the Moon, I look to the Moon, not to the finger.

[Christo]

Everything gonna be alright boys, and God Bless America ! I ban myself from this thread. Good luck.

[Tovi]

I'm too good with ya.

[Christo]

No, you are a fucking imbecile who doesn't keep his word.

[DaveUKR]

The career of this "idiot" is much more interesting than yours.
My logic is : when the wise man shows the Moon, I look to the Moon, not to the finger.

When the wise man "shows you the moon" you better look on the finger.
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Also. You should add this video to your signature, would explain everything.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDii69YCh_Q (can't attach it, darn forum)

[DonNicko]

I clearly stated its RT news thats shit, not everything thats from Russia

Just interesting what TV video do you use to see from Russia to have opinion of both sides? Or you don't?

To refresh the topic:
I think that if I would be on the place of the president of Ukraine and the most powerfull country with the most advanced spy technology said that they have direct prooves that russian troops invaded Donbass, I would defenitely made the same, meens ATO. But after several mounthes of direct prooves which didn't appear and 3.5 k people were killed because of that, to say that you made a mistake very hard. Poroshenko now in very difficult sittuation, a lot of money were spent to this war. Cities were destroyed and seems that Kiev will repair them. Seems that there a lot of bad things from both sides, killings, robbings and so on. On Ukrainian TV I see video which blames russian separatists, which doesn't show full picture, russian TV shows video, where they blame current government, national guard and right sector, which doesn't show full picture too. Too many fakes from both sides. Don't know about western TV.

[Anuran]

On Ukrainian TV I see video which blames russian separatists, which doesn't show full picture, russian TV shows video, where they blame current government, national guard and right sector, which doesn't show full picture too. Too many fakes from both sides. Don't know about western TV.

German media usually blame the rebels in eastern Ukraine or Russia. They completely ignored the airstrike on Lugansk for example, maybe because of too much evidence that the Ukrainian airforce was guilty... It's pretty much like Kiev/the West/EU/NATO/USA is the good one and the rebels/Russia are the bad ones.
However, the internet breaks this interpretational sovereignty and that's a thorn in certain decision makers' sides...

[Christo]

Just interesting what TV video do you use to see from Russia to have opinion of both sides? Or you don't?.

Since your dear leader bans all opposition media, nothing now.

[DonNicko]

Since your dear leader bans all opposition media, nothing now.

So you don't have opinion of both sides and try to be objective? Or you don't?

[Christo]

Ask Putin.

[Thomek]

russian TV shows video, where they blame current government, national guard and right sector, which doesn't show full picture too. Too many fakes from both sides. Don't know about western TV.

Ukraine TV just as bad of course. It is a propaganda WAR going on. And a real one, between the two countries.. Besides both sides in the media have similar attitudes towards truth rooted in their culture.    (from soviet times)

Media on both sides are an instrument of war. Ukraine doesn't have other option. If they would be truthful, balanced, and careful about unknowns, they would be shot to pieces by blatant lying russian media, who see themselves as soldiers in this war. There is no room for honest journalism.

Western media are slightly better, since you can find both sides reflected, although the vast majority is pro-ukraine.

What can we do as consumers of media? Use our brains, add 2+2. Pick reasonably trustworthy information out from the stream and discard the rest.

To me, it is long ago obvious that this is a war engineered by Putin alone, afraid to loose his puppet state.