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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #6330 on: September 08, 2014, 05:42:26 pm »
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I can't find any information on the interwebs which state that military bases are afforded sovereign national status, I find conflicting examples of the U.S applying national sovereignty over some of its bases and then not over other bases under its jurisdiction and no evidence of any other nation doing so. Can you find me some information to back your own statement up please? After all your statement about military bases being considered sovereign national territory is the crux of your argument that Russia had invaded the Crimea.

Regardless of those technicalities, the Russian troops stationed in Crimea were not allowed to get out without permission. And even beyond that, they weren't allowed to forcefully take control of official buildings. When the referendum took place Crimea was already occupied by Russian forces.

And yes, there is overwhelming evidence that the referendum was rigged by Russia to extreme lengths. As for comparing that referendum to elections in western countries, we should start with easily verifiable facts. Elections on western countries are subject to scrutiny by NGOs, which from time to time report problems (e.g. 2000 presidential elections in Florida). In Crimea, the work of actual NGO observers (not the far-righters hand-picked by Russian occupants) was overtly sabotaged by Russian forces, and they couldn't verify anything.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #6331 on: September 08, 2014, 06:05:13 pm »
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And yes, there is overwhelming evidence that the referendum was rigged by Russia to extreme lengths.

In Crimea, the work of actual NGO observers (not the far-righters hand-picked by Russian occupants) was overtly sabotaged by Russian forces, and they couldn't verify anything.


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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #6333 on: September 08, 2014, 06:11:02 pm »
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #6334 on: September 08, 2014, 06:22:22 pm »
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #6335 on: September 08, 2014, 06:23:09 pm »
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #6337 on: September 08, 2014, 08:53:35 pm »
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Official Ukrainian army, filled with foreign fighters... Right.. OFFICIAL.. LEGITIMATE.. NOT.

Any proof on that? I mean are you serious about that?  :rolleyes: I doubt you have any idea how things work.
You will never prove it because it's not true.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #6338 on: September 08, 2014, 10:11:35 pm »
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You will never prove it because it's not true.

That's a little bit hopeful. He will probably prove it in some way that only works in his head and rant about people kind enough to explain why he is wrong.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #6339 on: September 08, 2014, 11:10:19 pm »
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Dear holy mother of god, 425 pages on one thread... , and some of them are integrally bitch slaps between Murmillus and Xant. What the hell.

Someone must close this thread some day before it reaches 500 pages.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #6340 on: September 08, 2014, 11:33:55 pm »
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Dear holy mother of god, 425 pages on one thread... , and some of them are integrally bitch slaps between Murmillus and Xant. What the hell.

Someone must close this thread some day before it reaches 500 pages.

Don't be uptight.  Let it go where it will, like a weed.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #6341 on: September 09, 2014, 12:51:07 am »
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Regardless of those technicalities, the Russian troops stationed in Crimea were not allowed to get out without permission. And even beyond that, they weren't allowed to forcefully take control of official buildings. When the referendum took place Crimea was already occupied by Russian forces.

And yes, there is overwhelming evidence that the referendum was rigged by Russia to extreme lengths. As for comparing that referendum to elections in western countries, we should start with easily verifiable facts. Elections on western countries are subject to scrutiny by NGOs, which from time to time report problems (e.g. 2000 presidential elections in Florida). In Crimea, the work of actual NGO observers (not the far-righters hand-picked by Russian occupants) was overtly sabotaged by Russian forces, and they couldn't verify anything.

Then please tell me Kafeine are these permissions granted by a legitimate government to be observed when that government is overthrown and a puppet installed by opposing geopolitical parties are sworn in on the back of a coup?

Also, NGO's couldn't trust them as far as I could throw them, after all it was Western backed NGO's which manipulated compliant anti-Russian and pro-Western interested parties in Ukraine into overthrowing a democratically elected government. NGO's these days are merely a faux non-governmental extension of governments.

Also on a parting point, I find it laughable that my challenge to molly to back his statements up is rebuked not by molly, but yourself as a "technicality", when that technicality was the crux of molly's point, one unproven which completely discredits the point molly made.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #6342 on: September 09, 2014, 12:54:16 am »
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Any proof on that? I mean are you serious about that?  :rolleyes: I doubt you have any idea how things work.
You will never prove it because it's not true.

I only a page or two ago posted a video of a captured Ukrainian soldier blurting it all out on camera. Let me dig up some more "proof", then.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #6343 on: September 09, 2014, 12:58:23 am »
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Then please tell me Kafeine are these permissions granted by a legitimate government to be observed when that government is overthrown and a puppet installed by opposing geopolitical parties are sworn in on the back of a coup?

Then why didn't they march all the way to Kiev?  :lol:

Anyway annexation is not the answer, stop spewing bullshit.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #6344 on: September 09, 2014, 01:03:20 am »
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Then why didn't they march all the way to Kiev?  :lol:

Anyway annexation is not the answer, stop spewing bullshit.

Why? In my view, Putin is not that stupid, to invade another nation based on the aspirations of a minority is inexcusable and would grant NATO it's casus belli. (Even though NATO are guilty of this time and time again.) However he is interested in maintaining a buffer between NATO and Russia in the region of Ukraine due to the geopolitical topography, it's literally a gateway to Russia.

Israel is allowed to get away with genocide and occupation when it states that it must secure geopolitically vulnerable areas around Israel, (Golan heights for example), where is international law here? Why would international law be applied toward pro-Western nations when the international laws are just tools of those Western nations.

Also violence and warfare is not the answer either, but that's all we get. I prefer to spew my "bullshit" as long as it covers your bullshit.
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