Meanwhile in Ukraine

[Tovi]

But its not choosing independance. Tchecoslovakian countries are independent, Scotland will be independent. Donetsk will not be independent. It will be highly dependant on Russia. Infact it wont be a country at all, it will just be a Russian province.
But they couldnt choose. People were willing to get themselves killed or spend rest of their lives in prison to escape East and go to West Germany. The only people that were happy in the East were the ones who were rich and werent bothered by all the totalitarianism.

At the end of communism they could remain independant but they choose to reunite their country. Like Crimea people did with russia...
Tcheck republic and Slovakia are not fully independant as they are part of EU and receive massive financial help. Their main commercial partnership is Germany like Russia is for the Donbass. Independance does not mean autarcy.



Full interview of french fighters in Donbass

[Vovka]

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So the true faces appear. This was never about justice or truth. We knew RF was lying, and you knew it probably even better. (Still you defend Putin's actions)

People in here honestly feel it's right and good that Russia serves herself pieces of Ukraine.

Can you tell my WHY this is ok with you? Vovka, Tovi, Butan?

...That reaction when asked about RF regular units:

They are not very good liars.

lol why do you even bother asking me if I was one of the officers of the drz in 1st strategus. When we supplied the sea raiders rs and strangers with troops and weapons to fight the templars )))))

[Mala]

Because people may have the right to choose independance or not. Like in Tchecoslovakia, or in Scotland soon. If they want to leave, let them go, don't try to kill them and call them "terrorist".

If the same people live in 2 differents countries, like east and west germany, they have the right to join if they choose this way.

It seems pretty much more reasonable than making war to maintain artificial borders.

Well, Scotland and ČSSR have asked at first before they have tried an armed revolt.
The Germanyland thing, both countries had the intention for a unification written down in their constitutions.

[Tovi]

Each country have his own history and culture. But what are you supposed to do when you face a violent nationalist government (led in power by riots) ? Ask gently the permission ?
 Even in Scotland the english government is very agressive toward independantist, but they won't send troops if scottish choose to leave.

[Mala]

Each country have his own history and culture. But what are you supposed to do when you face a violent nationalist government (led in power by riots) ? ...

any proofs for mobs against the population in the east?

[Butan]

any proofs for mobs against the population in the east?

You mean if there is pro-Kiev vs pro-Rus tensions in Ukraine? Of course there is.

Predominantly anti pro-Rus in Ukraine controlled territory, and anti pro-Kiev in rebel controlled territory.

It seems pretty much more reasonable than making war to maintain artificial borders.

All borders are artificials, people fight for them in protests or in war, in this case, war.
As I've said in the past, if Maidan hadnt been able to overthrow the government, and the unrest didnt die off, there would have been probably a civil war under the same circumstances.
Poroshenko and Yanukovitch have that similar trait that all politicians shares: they fight to preserve their power, in this case to preserve his entire territory instead of accepting to lose some.

[Lt_Anders]

Was watching news when I heard this:
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/08/29/putin-reminds-world-that-russia-is-one-of-the-leading-nuclear-powers-and-its-best-not-to-mess-with-us/

Yea, even If he stresses it, he'd never actively use them. Self Preservation is much to strong and his oligarchs wouldn't let it go that far.

[Maksimus]

Was watching news when I heard this:
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/08/29/putin-reminds-world-that-russia-is-one-of-the-leading-nuclear-powers-and-its-best-not-to-mess-with-us/

Yea, even If he stresses it, he'd never actively use them. Self Preservation is much to strong and his oligarchs wouldn't let it go that far.

I'm not sure in it. Oligarchs are nothing for Putin.

[Butan]

Was watching news when I heard this:
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/08/29/putin-reminds-world-that-russia-is-one-of-the-leading-nuclear-powers-and-its-best-not-to-mess-with-us/

Yea, even If he stresses it, he'd never actively use them. Self Preservation is much to strong and his oligarchs wouldn't let it go that far.

The actual quote:

“Thank God, I think no one is thinking of unleashing a large-scale conflict with Russia. I want to remind you that Russia is one of the leading nuclear powers,” Putin told the group of school-aged children on Friday.

Nothing to stress about.

His declarations were more geared toward preparing the young to conventional warfare, while saying the possible enemies know they shouldnt try to make them do this.

[Vovka]

he speaks as true terrorist  :?

[Yarl]

Jason Statham? Special Mission?  Now it serious.
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[Kafein]

The actual quote:
Nothing to stress about.

His declarations were more geared toward preparing the young to conventional warfare, while saying the possible enemies know they shouldnt try to make them do this.

In other words "Even we know full well the only thing that allows us to continue our bullshit is those nukes"

[Butan]

In other words "Even we know full well the only thing that allows us to continue our bullshit is those nukes"

You think without those nukes there would be open war already?
Unlikely to say the least.

[Kafein]

You think without those nukes there would be open war already?
Unlikely to say the least.

My bet is that without those nukes the RF wouldn't even exist. Actually the history of the whole world would be completely different, but you could say the same of any event from the past so it doesn't really make sense to discuss  that.

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Rare footage of Ukraine government officials secretly moving to oppress Russians: http://coub.com/view/333x7