THIS is where either your ignorance or a semi-conscious choice to be a sheep comes out. If it were as you say, if all you could do is watch and post on forums - then yes, you would be right. But its simply not the case. When people are fed up enough - they start changing things. You can (and I sincerely believe you will) find a million+ reasons to avoid even trying to do a damn thing or you can make up your mind based on the info you have and act upon it. Join a friggin protest in front of russian embassy, call BS on your politicians who are willing to sell russians modern warships, there is a BUNCH of things you can do, IF YOU CHOOSE TO. And yes - propaganda is good at tricking people, but no - you don't have to accept it.
On the other hand... fuck it, what am I writing here. If one is willing to give the same weight of credibility to putlers media as to 90% of remaining worlds media... IMO you need help, some professional help preferably. I just cant be more polite about this, sorry
Forgive me, I though seeing your second last post that you were mind-ready to have a serene discussion. I will stop to attempt any with you until you show some more serious signs.
Second: about pro-Russian protesters entrapping their people. I meant what I said. When an aggressive part of pro-Russian protesters simply ran away and vanished in the centre of the city they called to the camp (which is like 5km away from the place of the initial clash). One of camp leaders told pro-Russians in the camp to take that building nearby, barricade all doors/floors and get ready to siege. Smarter people didn't listen and just walked away. That explains why there were not that many people as usually in the camp. Camp was completely abandoned, they even left some Molotov cocktails/shields and etc. So tell me now how isn't it "entrapping" when they give such orders to their men? What was the purpose of taking that building? Once pro-Ukrainians came, pro-Russians were already waiting for them on the roof of that building with cocktails. Also if anyone was in Odessa and saw that building then he would understand that it's impossible to die there because of Molotov cocktails. That is a large separate multi-level building. I don't even try to find any excuses to actions of those who were beating saved people to death (yes, there were such bastards, there is nothing to hide, they try to excuse themselves with a reason that their friends got killed by guns of pro-Russians that day), there were also people who were actually saving them.
Its always vastly superior to your first summary, but I still dont see the connexion between going inside a building and wishing those that does to die?
Surely the "tactical" choice of preparing for something in that building can be labelled "not smart" in retrospective, but thats just how it turned out, I dont think its the best argument you can think of right now.
Are you still pushing for a version where shadowy leaders had the objective to die as martyrs and convince unwilling people to follow them in death too, all for the sake of putting bad press on pro-Kiev?
About toxic substances. It's an official announcement of SBU. These are not mine words and I hate conspiracy shit. But in this particular case I tend to believe as corpses really looked strange (completely burnt heads with untouched clothes) and most of dead people there died because of "gas intoxication", that's an official conclusion of coroners from Odessa.
I'm not going to surprise you if I tell you that expertises from SBU and UKR coroners arent going to convince anyone?
Surely we will have more and more details on that horrible event in the next days, and bits of information coming from UKR/RUS controlled media will be interesting to hear, I'm not going to proclaim that someone did this, someone did that, because we just doesnt know yet.
Whats undebatable is that Ukrainians killed each other, and most of the dying was on the pro-RUS side, which should lead you to understand that those that are pro-RUS are legitimely angry, and should put the pro-UKR to shame and convince the people in the middle that all the violence doesnt come from the big bad evil invaders disguised as ukrainians
Thats pretty obvious when I read myself, but I'm not entirely certain all people understand this yet... But as soon as they do they will certainly tell me "shut up butan, we already knew that!" ^^
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