Too many horse archers`

[Leshma]

Meh i think ill stick with turning crpg off and play another game when i get bored

Or play siege. Usually no HAs there.

[Osiris]

Or play siege. Usually no HAs there.

thats what i usually do this morning when i did that i got run over in spawn by a HA  never happened before on eu2, I do enjoy the hilarity of balistas

[Panos_]

Sorry for doubleposting .


I was the first one that complained about the amount of horsearchery, and I still complain, the class itself is not OP, but the numbers on the field make it op.
As I told you already, this community is full of god damn hipsters who will follow a trend in one second, when nudge got implemented, everyone quickly respeced into 1handers , want some examples?? Strudog and Mauwits, and the second one mastered the nudge/kick abuse.

 Another example is the rondel bundle of sticksry, one my old friend found out that rondel speed bonus damage is OP and cant 2 hit anything, almost everyone has a rondel dagger alt, look at Barabes for example.

1H stab got buffed, everyone was 1hander , AGAIN.

And now same applies with HA.

What I find funny and irritating at the same time, is that actually Byzantium members think that HA class make the players RQ, let me tell you something.
Your clan , when it comes to bundle of sticksry and abusing, is number one, I havent seen such a massive abuse of a broken mechanic EVER in a game, and yes I talk about the 2D Polearm abuse, 90% of your clan members, ab-use  an  aswhood/awlpike/warspear/lspear, your clan is such a joke, that even your latest recruit, Qoray who used to be a skilless macro feint 2h hero, NOW IS A GODDAMN 2D polearmer 

Teeth, in all honesty, when it comes to complaining about an abusive class, you byzantiums, need to shut the fuck up, it`s like being a junkie, and make fun of other junkies.


I hope you dig me 

[Leshma]

left swing is an abuse? well if you say so. and no I wasn't a merc who lobbied for banner balance but it has been great for crpg untill recently when most clans activity has dropped off. I fully support class and team balance over full banner balance.


if you are going to dismiss concerns and problems because MERCS AND BYZ ABOOZE LOLOLOL then why bother posting at all? make a HA alt to fight other HAs? why its a totally boring and dull class to play ive played HA before and it bores me to tears.

you say bullshit abuse of stabs left swing bump slash kicks etc. may i ask what in your opinion isn't BS abuse?

Sure the Byz gank squad frustrates me sometimes and can be annoying as im sure merc one can. the vital difference is i stand a reasonable chance against them as does my team if they go into a blob its something i can fight against using any class something i cannot do against a HA stack. i can go archer, xbow, hoplite or lancer cav and i would still be of limited use against a gang of HA. I wouldn't even mind so much if the HA were split but no crpg likes to put nearly every cav on the same side most maps. But you are not a hypocrite at all im sure

Just mentioned Mercs in relation with banner balance, rest is about Byz...

Sadly, skill in this game revolves around game mechanic abuse. Playing HA is no different to rest of abuse methods. Same as double left swing (most skilled players know how to do it), it can be chambered but most players can't chamber block. Same goes for piking through teammates and walls or face hugging pole stabbing etc.

My point is, many players hit the skill ceiling of regular game mechanics and now have to abuse flaws of the game engine and game balance to differentiate themselves from others. This situation is no different, really. Best way to counter it is to do the same and win in direct clash of horse archers.

[San]

There are 2 main issues:

The gamemode
Battle mode emphasizes survivability while being able to dish out damage. Ranged are the best at this, but they are susceptible to losing their hiding spot and being forced to relocate. Cavalry are the best at avoiding danger if they play safe, but melee cav can't dish out damage unless they get close to the battlefield. Horse ranged can do whatever they want in the second half if they're aware of other ranged. HX are forced to relocate more because of their poor reload speed, while HA can defend themselves properly with better accuracy since last patch.

Master of the field
This is the only available countermeasure to such classes that prove to be outliers in battle mode. The issues with MotF are when it appears and how it's handled once it spawns. Under certain conditions, it can immediately spawn in its second phase (after 3:30) once certain conditions are met. I think integrating MotF a little better in the gamemode would help. It may occasionally give the team with a lot of HA an advantage (ex flags spawn in the middle of flat plains), but it would at least draw them out to one place so that ranged on the other team can attack them.

The 3:30 timer for MotF should be pushed up to 5:00 at the very least. I also think it should take less than a minute and a half to get it up, going up a bit faster when there are more people.

One of these conditions for MotF to spawn is if there are only cav left on the other team. This should be changed so that MotF spawns when there is a majority of cav left on the other team, not simply all cav. There is nothing more infuriating strategically than having a single enemy kiting archer/thrower/xbow in the middle of nowhere with 2-4+ support cav. Shouldn't have to hunt that one guy to get MotF to spawn at a decent time.

I think this would go a long way without directly nerfing the class. Nerfs may still be in order some day, but at least it won't be strategically hopeless like it is right now, since nerfs right now would just make them more evasive and annoying.

[Gnjus]

i play crpg because i like the challenge (the reason i play practically naked and with a very weak build)

I recon this sign does not stand in the chamber of tears:

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...although its too late for it now, you've already done it. 

As for gnjus, why do you seem to hate me all of a sudden, i'm not even 100% sure who you are; why are you following all of my posts and shit talking me, do you have some massive problem with me or something, what's up?

Yeah, replying to 2 of your posts certainly makes me a stalker and a hater. You seem to hate yourself way more than I ever could do, how else does one explain your constant typing (in-game & forum) of complete and utter bullshit ? You really believe all that crap you write or you just enjoy being considered a boring QQing asshole in the same way as your mate Teeth ? Now I'm beginning to see the background of Byzantium's strength, you guys seem to be "clicking" to each other with your delightful characters as well as your unsurpassed skills of abusing everything that this game offers to be abused. Don't count me in as your hater tho, I'd say you've got plenty of those already. I don't mind you guys at all but out of all people out there crying & whining about things in this mod you seem to be the loudest lot while you really shouldn't.......

[Umbra]

Cleary the problem here is the HA class. Not the fact that 90% of the people are stabbing, or the fact that we have more rondel shield trolls than ever, (and they actually own people and not just troll) or that the strenght build is practicaly dead, or that we have 190+ wpf 1h spammers who actualy have the audacity to complain about something when they play the most abused class currently ingame.

Cant say for others, but you know why i play HA? Because melee in this game is in shambles, buried under a mass of pikes and agility shield spammers.
How to counter this? Shoot the fuck out of the pikers, bump the fuck out of the shielders.
And honestly, rolling mass HA is the most fun i had in this game in a looooong time. 

[Molly]

There are 2 main issues:

The gamemode
[...] HA can defend themselves properly with better accuracy since last patch.[...]

I've read this several times now.

HA's hardly got a buff this patch, like i mentioned in other posts, 11 wpf is game breaking. 

corsair i would say you were buffed miles more than HA's, you probably got a good 40-50 extra wpf

Yes, yes, especially with a STF lvl 30 build on 18/21 with a yumi, the accuracy increase of 3 Horse Archery and 170 wpf is immense. I can easily hit the pin of a matchstick over half the map. The accuracy is that good!

[...] i play crpg because i like the challenge (the reason i play practically naked and with a very weak build), of fighting multiple opponents and out-thinking and sometimes outplaying my opponents. [...]

That's bold coming from the worst left swing spammer on EU1, next to Byz_Spamoramix. Circling a guy with 9ath and spamming the left swig is something you call out-thinking and -playing an opponent?

[Teeth]

You can attack me, Corsair or Byzantium as a clan all you want, but the point still stands. 37 upvotes for the OP, coming from EU players with a variety of builds in a variety of clans. Please note that it is not exclusively the croats playing HA, but there has been a general increase in them for a while now. There used to be 2 or 3 on a server with 60 people, now it was often 5 or 6. Now we have 10.

Also, if the stab abuse bothers you, upvote my thread. I have been lobbying for a general stab nerf ever since the change that completely broke the game towards stabbing and I am fucking sad that nothing happened to it last patch. Also all of the Byzantium stabbers have been stabbers for like the past 3 years. We are hardly following the flavour of the month, Byzantium pike or hoplite squad has been a well established phenomenon for a long time now.

http://forum.melee.org/game-balance-discussion/two-directional-polearms-are-a-fucking-joke/

I also like how a thread about EU metagame is moved to the chamber of tears by an NA moderator even though the amount of horsearchers seems to be perceived as an actual problem by a number of players.

[Vibe]

HA are horrible people both ingame and in real life

[Umbra]

Silence, Slovenian pesaent. Bow before your Croatian horse masters 

[Gnjus]

You can attack me, Corsair or Byzantium as a clan all you want, but the point still stands. 37 upvotes for the OP, coming from EU players with a variety of builds in a variety of clans.

No one is attacking you Bycuntium guys, you do a hell of a job yourselves, also - EU players, renown for their outstanding intelligence, tactical awareness and competence for teamwork, if your current career fails you can always try your luck as a stand-up comedian, you seem to have a knack for it. 

I also like how a thread about EU metagame is moved to the chamber of tears by an NA moderator

Even the silly Yanks have learned by now that:

IF (thread was started by Corsair) THEN
    MOVE IT TO "CHAMBER OF TEARS"
ELSE = NO ALTERNATIVE
(feel free to correct me, I always hated this crap)

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Biggest issue with horseranged is delaying, if not for the fact that archers can no longer seriously kite most builds yet horseranged can delay the rounds for several minutes I'd still take being circles by 10 HA over having to run down 5 archers any day.

[Gravoth_iii]

Sorry for doubleposting .


I was the first one that complained about the amount of horsearchery, and I still complain, the class itself is not OP, but the numbers on the field make it op.
As I told you already, this community is full of god damn hipsters who will follow a trend in one second, when nudge got implemented, everyone quickly respeced into 1handers , want some examples?? Strudog and Mauwits, and the second one mastered the nudge/kick abuse.

 Another example is the rondel bundle of sticksry, one my old friend found out that rondel speed bonus damage is OP and cant 2 hit anything, almost everyone has a rondel dagger alt, look at Barabes for example.

1H stab got buffed, everyone was 1hander , AGAIN.

And now same applies with HA.

What I find funny and irritating at the same time, is that actually Byzantium members think that HA class make the players RQ, let me tell you something.
Your clan , when it comes to bundle of sticksry and abusing, is number one, I havent seen such a massive abuse of a broken mechanic EVER in a game, and yes I talk about the 2D Polearm abuse, 90% of your clan members, ab-use  an  aswhood/awlpike/warspear/lspear, your clan is such a joke, that even your latest recruit, Qoray who used to be a skilless macro feint 2h hero, NOW IS A GODDAMN 2D polearmer 

Teeth, in all honesty, when it comes to complaining about an abusive class, you byzantiums, need to shut the fuck up, it`s like being a junkie, and make fun of other junkies.


I hope you dig me 

So mean, what are we allowed to use then? We cant be 2h, we cant be stabby polearm, we cant be 1h with stabs.

[Panos_]

boo fucking hoo c-rpg community, leave Byzantium clan alone!

Also someone should give the Nobel price to Teeth for his heroism, he opened a thread saying the obvious, but yet he still is an abusive little cunt  .


oh god, and people call me a whiner..


Gravoth, since when speaking the truth is being mean to someone?? Ask 100 players, all of them will tell you the exact same thing, your clan is based on abuse, and I told you yesterday, I think that you are all very skilled gamers, but still that doesnt change the fact that you all abuse.

I didnt tell you to stop playing your class, but coming at the forum whining about another class being abusive and OP, while YOU guys abuse the most OP and broken game mechanic, is a bit stupid.