Thoughts on Religion and the State

[zagibu]

It's not even a discussion. Someone writes something, then when he is asked to explain in more detail, he resorts to ad hominem.

[Xant]

Muhammad spewing so much garbage, his only argument being the constant copy-pasting of youtube links. Staying true to the religious ways of arguing.

[Kafein]

Absence of delusions is related to a 'healthy'/'normal'/'average'/'mainstream'/'common sense' way of thinking/statements/behaviour.
By default it has nothing to do with atheism nore religion nore science.

I don't want to read the rest of your post so I will only comment on this part : common sense is not science, and common sense is full of delusions. Science is unnatural thinking, otherwise it would be easy.

Also what the fuck is wrong with Muhammad's way of expressing himself. I didn't pay for a yoga lesson.

[Xant]

Dunno, Muhammad really does sound like someone who smoke too much weed. Trying to sound wise and mysterious, yet the information value of his posts is zero. The world really isn't that magical a place, and things he claims can't be explained have already been reduced to explainable parts by science.

[Yazid]

Dunno, Muhammad really does sound like someone who smoke too much weed. Trying to sound wise and mysterious, yet the information value of his posts is zero. The world really isn't that magical a place, and things he claims can't be explained have already been reduced to explainable parts by science.

I'd much rather sound like that, than believe the way you do, in that case according to some Philosophs the only thing left for you to contemplate is whether or not to kill yourself rather than continue on like this. The only problem with believing the way I do, is that there are plenty others who would rather kill me for it, because it inherently disturbs their 'sky cake dodge' or their machine fantasies.

http://vimeo.com/24737728

[Kafein]

http://youtu.be/tIwdf9Ob7YU?t=2m27s

[Yazid]

http://youtu.be/tIwdf9Ob7YU?t=2m27s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHihlTw5Kck

pop culture has done the same with the tao and eastern religions, which have been reduced to stereotypes.

[zagibu]

Do you seriously believe anyone is going to watch a lengthy video if you can't even reply to simple questions?

[Yazid]

Do you seriously believe anyone is going to watch a lengthy video if you can't even reply to simple questions?

Your questions are the source of accumulated bias that not a million years of my answering will fix.
So I offer something more feasible for our times.

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[zagibu]

Your questions are the source of accumulated bias that not a million years of my answering will fix.
So I offer something more feasible for our times.

It seems you don't even know much about religion, because the best priests are those that are patiently answering the same questions every day. You don't convince people from up in the saddle, you have to dismount, sit down with them at their table, break your bread with them, and listen to their worries first. THEN you can offer your views, and people will at least consider them.

How should we differ between you, who truly knows how the world works, and someone who is just an arrogant asshole that thinks he's above other people, if you don't show us the slightest hint that it could be worth it to listen to what you have to say?

[Yazid]

someone who is just an arrogant asshole that thinks he's above other people, if you don't show us the slightest hint that it could be worth it to listen to what you have to say?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diogenes_of_Sinope

[Christo]

why oh why would anyone in their sane mind start this discussion?

Because I enjoy it.

=D rama

even if it's not top notch, it's something

[Xant]

I'd much rather sound like that, than believe the way you do, in that case according to some Philosophs the only thing left for you to contemplate is whether or not to kill yourself rather than continue on like this. The only problem with believing the way I do, is that there are plenty others who would rather kill me for it, because it inherently disturbs their 'sky cake dodge' or their machine fantasies.

http://vimeo.com/24737728

Ehm, except, why the fuck should I care what some "Philosophers" think is the only thing left for me to do? You see, when you believe the way I do the only one who gets to tell me what to do is me. Why would I kill myself? That makes no sense.

See, that's the thing. I don't have any bearded authorities I have to listen to. I can make up my own mind.

[kinngrimm]

...: common sense is not science, and common sense is full of delusions.

i didnt state the first part it would be so and i dont nessarily deny the second part.

Science is unnatural thinking, otherwise it would be easy.

That i do deny.
There is not such a thing as unnatural thinking, perhaps unusual or uncommon.
Every thinking is natural, otherwise we would not be able to think that way.
You may even consider psychopathic behaviour, shizophranics and other "psychological illnesses" as natural, still unwanted and rather not very helpfull ^^ thinkings or behaviour, quite far off, of the normal considered average

This statement i see more from a biological perspective, then from a sociological.

EDIT:
The way we think, also evolves, with the scientific methods we got new thought patterns so to say, rulesets we need to comply to, to keep to standards which would lead to prooven and validated data. Scientific methods in these terms bring us toolsets to adjust the way we think, but still  i wouldn't define it as unnatural. It has evolved from before the greek philophoser and their way of asking questions and defining communicational discourse, giving structure by thesis-antithesis-sythesis. Different languages with different depths through their gramatic rulesets ... also again merging and influencing each other over time.

Also what the fuck is wrong with Muhammad's way of expressing himself. I didn't pay for a yoga lesson.

new age guru trippin on mushrooms?

http://youtu.be/tIwdf9Ob7YU?t=2m27s

wtf  "You may be even be able to handle 2 swords" ... yes that i took out of that 

why oh why would anyone in their sane mind start this discussion?
...

Fuck me forum whoring.