Awlpikes and 2D vs Hoplite which do you fear more?

[Teeth]

Problem with hoplites is that you can't kill them fast when getting ganked because they have a shield to block, where a quick target switch might help you dispose of the awlpiker. Hoplites also have longer range and can stab around their ally more efficiently, which negates the one trick you use to survive in ganks, keeping on enemy between you and the others. With current stabs though any support polearmer even if they are not that good makes a gank damn challenging, of course depending on the relative movement speeds.

Oh in general situations I'd say awlpikers and 2D because they are the most OP weapons right now to fight as melee, not in a duel, but their combined group fighting and solo fighting strength makes them the best weapon in my opinion.

[Carthan]

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Yeah, it seems like if I get caught between multiple pokey polearmers I get killed quickly and painfully because they have such reach and speed I get trapped between them

[Butan]

Hoplites are best for medium-long range and alwpikes for short-medium range.

If you're a hugger you will fear awlpikes, if you're a long range player you will fear hoplites.

[CrazyCracka420]

I said awlpike/2D was thinking more of a 1v1 situation.  In a gank I think hoplites are the more valuable of the two.

[karasu]

Kinda silly to put awlpike and the rest of the other 2d's on the same sack. Pointless poll this way.

[Teeth]

Kinda silly to put awlpike and the rest of the other 2d's on the same sack. Pointless poll this way.

Nope, awlpike, ashwood pike, long awlpike, ranseur, partisan, you name it. All these weapons are ridiculously strong. Save the English Bill and Swiss Halberd perhaps which are still amazing, but their low stab damage makes them slower damage dealers than the others, as the polearm stab is so much better than the polearm overhead. Especially lately my trusty English Bill seems to suffer from incredibly poor hit detection on overheads.

[wanteds]

Nope, awlpike, ashwood pike, long awlpike, ranseur, partisan, you name it. All these weapons are ridiculously strong. Save the English Bill and Swiss Halberd perhaps which are still amazing, but their low stab damage makes them slower damage dealers than the others, as the polearm stab is so much better than the polearm overhead. Especially lately my trusty English Bill seems to suffer from incredibly poor hit detection on overheads.

Have noticed that too. lately many of overheads with English bill result as such you have hit against a wall and attack just gets cancelled, no bounce, nothing or no-one behind u that your weapon gets stuck on, just attacks getting cancelled.

[Osiris]

i just team hit everyone when trying to use overhead on the bill

[Johammeth]

Hoplites who drop their shield get the best of both worlds.

[karasu]

Hoplites who drop their shield get the best of both worlds.

Specially if he has a 4d polearm. It's GG game over yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

[Zanze]

2D poles. Most hoplites in NA are not very good. The few that are I try my best to recognize to either gank them early, or avoid them if they are in a kill squad. 2D poles on the other hand either break my shield or stab quickly, both of which are annoying.

[Tanken]

I feel that a talented hoplite can outplay a talented 2d polearm user most times. It really depends upon the playstyle of the Hoplite I suppose. A lot of Hoplites are guilty of turtling up, but the good ones are the ones that aren't afraid to get into the mix, play aggressive, and switch targets frequently. A good short-range spear (such as The Spear) surrounded by enemies can do a lot of quick damage.


There are only a handful of good Hoplites in NA and I would take a few of those guys up against any master 2D polearm user any day and place my bet on the Hoplites. That's just me though.

One additional thing; The chances of a Hoplite making it to combat vs. a 2D Polearm user without taking ranged damage largely favors the Hoplite. So, in a real combat situation NA_1, the Hoplite is more versatile and withstanding than an exposed 2D Polearmer.

[bilwit]

In a 1v1? Awlpike+other 2D by about a hundred times over. Just chamber the hoplite and he'll give up and put away his shield. There's a reason why most of them use warspears

[Voester]

I feel that a talented hoplite can outplay a talented 2d polearm user most times. It really depends upon the playstyle of the Hoplite I suppose. A lot of Hoplites are guilty of turtling up, but the good ones are the ones that aren't afraid to get into the mix, play aggressive, and switch targets frequently. A good short-range spear (such as The Spear) surrounded by enemies can do a lot of quick damage.


There are only a handful of good Hoplites in NA and I would take a few of those guys up against any master 2D polearm user any day and place my bet on the Hoplites. That's just me though.

One additional thing; The chances of a Hoplite making it to combat vs. a 2D Polearm user without taking ranged damage largely favors the Hoplite. So, in a real combat situation NA_1, the Hoplite is more versatile and withstanding than an exposed 2D Polearmer.

As pretty much the only dedicated NA awlpiker i have to disagree i pull a hell of a lot more kills than hoplites do. I use the awlpike and i love it and have always loved it, but even i recognize its OP.

[Kalam]

Awlpike/other 2Der.

Hoplites can be safely ignored. Blocking down isn't that hard when the person stabbing has limited maneuverability.

Both are equally deadly in Strategus.