Awlpikes and 2D vs Hoplite which do you fear more?

[Osiris]

So your fighting a mob or solo and you come across awlpikers hoplites etc question is which do you fear more?

We were having this discussion in IRC  and it seems there was a divide.

Tydeus and fraichedan both said hoplites were more problamatic me and n30 were of the opinion that awlpikes mainly and other 2h are much scarier to fight both in 1 on 1 and ganks.


Personally i fear a good awlpiker in a gank more than a good hoplite but its just me. my question is what would do you fear more. Im not sure if NA has fewer awlpikes more hoplites etc etc so im making it NA/EU poll ^^. Opinions welcome maybe i just suck at fighting awlpikes.

[Apsod]

I fear 2D polearms more because of their mobility and their extra swing direction. Hoplites feel a bit "slow and steady wins the race" while 2D polearms are more wild and unpredictable.

Which one is more effective is another question though.

[Huscarlton_Banks]

I get wibbly wobbly stabbed by hoplites in a mob through their teammates much more often than with awlpikers which leads to me getting chain stunned by the rest of the mob until death, but awlpikers deal a ton more damage.

Awlpikers are more problematic in 1v1.

[NuberT]

Awlpike and 2D I'd say, even though I find the polearm stab easier to chamberblock than pole + shield stab, they do more damage and are more agile.

Double sided lance hoplite are nowadays inferior to 1h stab, havn't played with my double sided lance in weeks.. but that is off topic^^

[Leshma]

Hoplites are annoying because they have a shield and act as turtles most of the time, but I don't fear them that much. Awlpikers are annoying because of broken hitboxes on that weapon. But both are fine imho because there are many broken things in cRPG so they balance themselves in a way. What I fear the most are STR crutchers with long twohanded swords because of their "range". Their movement is unpredictable and therefore hard to fight because they get lucky and you're dead meat. Awlpikers and hoplites at least have style and some fighting technique unlike those who perform "whirlwind" all the time.

[sF_Guardian]

2D because of their epileptic palystyle.

[Gurnisson]

Hoplite, definitely. Way harder to kill with quick target-switching which makes them a lot more deadly while getting ganked. I fear an ashwood pike guy with a shield more than a pikeman, 2d polearmer or a mauler while getting ganked.

[Rebelyell]

Alwpike is bulshit and it is not only problem of stats
morningstar and bec have similar dmg output and no one call the stupid op shiet ect

In my opinion stab animation that we can abuze all the time is the problem, lol stabs transform shit stabs in to supper deadly death anime attacks.

for example if you just stab with GS it will glance a lot but with bit of skill timing and rotation you can easily connect attack with high damage output

2d polearms are nothing bad in teory but lolstab change that totaly

In my opinion there is 1 way to fix it
no rotation on all weapon,

[Austrian]

Two words: Heibai and Knitler.

The End

[Butan]

Two words: Heibai and Knitler.

The End

[Grumbs]

I'd rather fight a 2d pole 1v1 than a hoplite. A 2d guy will make some mistakes with blocking eventually, especially if you have a 4d weapon. Fights don't usually stay 1v1 forever too, if I have someone to join in I'd rather fight a 2d even more because you can combo 2 different attack directions at once. You can hold and release to stun the guy a bit too, which doesn't seem to work against shields. Once a shield is broken the guy can then have a 4d weapon which I find harder to fight than 2d, same with 1 or 2 handers.

In terms of hardest to fight for me i'd go 1 hander/shield, 2 hander, hoplite, 2d. Depends on the players though ofc. Can't just look at the class if its a guy like Chase with Awlpike

[Panos_]

I fear none, fear is for 2handers only

[Rebelyell]

I fear none, fear is for 2handers only

dont worry next pach I will go 1h pole hybrid so you will see 1 2h my old friend less

[Fuma Kotaro]

dont worry next pach I will go 1h pole hybrid so you will see 1 2h my old friend less

does that mean you are brave now? or will you just take a pikestabsidesword and become even more gay?

[Carthan]

NA agiwhore here.
I think you can kill them both if you take time to learn how they fight but back to the question.
Personally I think the 2 directionals are a bit more dangerous just because I don't always expect the overhead.

Hoplites just kinda sit there and
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PS: Thank you for putting in NA/EU options for clarification