2h Bastard Sword Type Weapons

[Tydeus]

While what you say is true, it cannot be used to invalidate opinions.

It doesn't need to, it only needs to be relevant to the "balance" discussion, which it is. 2h has the longest recovery time for what he's talking about, more so than 1h or polearm thrusts. When questioning how "balanced" a weapon's thrust is, surely this recovery time is necessary to consider.

[Kafein]

Then again, this recovery time is longer by 0.05 seconds iirc

[Utrakil]

To Tydeus:
I have a question about your previously posted animation pics.

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Go download openBRF and look at the animations.
Native Animations:
Mountblade Warband/CommonRes/ani_attacks.brf
2h thrust:
Mountblade Warband/CommonRes/skeletons.brf
My anims:
Mountblade Warband/Modules/cRPG/Resource/anim_tydeus_nudges.brf

Right click on the animation you want to look at, then split via action.txt, with skeletons.brf, you're looking for anim_human_release_thrust_twohanded

Horizontal swing sweetspots are decided by the angle between your facing(where you're looking) and where your opponent is positioned. Basically what you're looking for, for horizontal swings, is on what frame the weapon is able to hit someone located around 2-3 o'clock, then divide by the total number of frames in the release animation and it will tell you how far into the animation's progression that is.

This is the last time I go out of my way to try and help you inform yourself, next time I'm just going to click the -1 and skip your post the moment I see bullshit. Since you clearly forgot about the recent argument we had on nearly this same exact subject, here's a refresher.
Jesus Christ, man. Fine, I'll give you screenshots, lets hope you can follow pictures better than words. 

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This is frame 1 of the release animation, note the location of the tip of the sword, as well as what frame we're on(there are two ways, look at the green vertical line near the bottom of the screen or look at the "1" at the bottom toolbar).

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This is the start of the sweetspot. Again, note the location of the tip as well as what frame we're on(6).

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This is the end of the sweetspot. Once again, focus on where the tip is located as well as what frame we're on(11).

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Finally, we're at the very end of the release animation. Nothing new, you're looking at where the tip is located, as well as verifying that we are indeed at frame 17.

To conclude, the tip travels across 13 squares in this entire animation. The sweetspot starts in square 2 and ends in square 10. So with some simple math, 10/13 we can see that about 23% of the total distance the sword moves, comes after the end of the 100% damage sweetspot. As a reminder, Sweetspots for thrust are 35% progression to 65% progression. To see how far in the animation we have progressed, just do the same thing: current frame/total frames. Thus, your made up numbers (when we chose to ignore specifics and only focus on the point that is trying to be communicated) turns out to be completely wrong opposite of reality.

Just more of you accusing me of creating numbers out of thin air because they don't agree with your perception of reality, then I follow up with proof which you still don't seem capable of swallowing. Observation is great, but you have to be honest and aware of the times when your eyes are deceiving you. This is the internet, no one and nothing is ever actually where it appears to be.

How should I interprete the shield the figurine is holding in his hand during the entire animation??
is this some autoblock during attack?

[Mr.K.]

To Tydeus:
I have a question about your previously posted animation pics.

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How should I interprete the shield the figurine is holding in his hand during the entire animation??
is this some autoblock during attack?

I would guess that the shield is there because it's a part of the skeleton. That way you see how the shield would move with different animations. Don't you think you would have noticed the invisible shield during the attack animations?

[Utrakil]

I would guess that the shield is there because it's a part of the skeleton. That way you see how the shield would move with different animations. Don't you think you would have noticed the invisible shield during the attack animations?

Why should you want to know how the shield moves in an animation the shild never does?
and yea the autoblock was a joke.

[Mr.K.]

Why should you want to know how the shield moves in an animation the shild never does?
and yea the autoblock was a joke.

Probably just the same skeleton used for all animations?

[spiritus]

I like that a lot, Tydeus.
94 speed and 32 base damage would be longsword, right? So HBS/BS/Katana would get 95-96 speed? I think that's good, too. Would give more variety of really long and somewhat slow 1hs other than the arabian cav sword.

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and goedendag

Spathions and paramerions and those choppy weapons erm cleavers!

[San]

You're right, but I think Spathion and Paramerion are like slower, stronger knightly weapons. Even if it's only 2cm or so, I think of them in a different tier of length to the arabian cav sword.

Arabian cav sword is 105 length and 95 speed. 94-95 speed and 31-32 cut would make them good weapons in that long niche category, but they'd still inferior to the arabian cav sword as a pure 1h. The tradeoff would make sense assuming the prices increase on the weapons.