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Re: Please return our ball, mean old neighbour guy.
« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2013, 12:44:12 am »
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Not really. Teeth will have to remove all the buildings if they put ladders back
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Re: Please return our ball, mean old neighbour guy.
« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2013, 12:44:56 am »
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They can't abuse them if the ladders are unbreakable.

Ladders should be breakable, and every map should have a chest at spawn that supplies ladders.
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Re: Please return our ball, mean old neighbour guy.
« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2013, 01:02:57 am »
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I agree.  I never had a problem with ladders and archers.  Shoot them down or get a ladder.  Some whiners people just don't want to take the trouble.

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Re: Please return our ball, mean old neighbour guy.
« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2013, 01:04:20 am »
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Not really. Teeth will have to remove all the buildings if they put ladders back

Why?

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Re: Please return our ball, mean old neighbour guy.
« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2013, 01:07:51 am »
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Why?
becaues teeth is a scene dictator developer and is biased against archers and anything they can use to their advantage
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Re: Please return our ball, mean old neighbour guy.
« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2013, 01:13:33 am »
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They can't abuse them if the ladders are unbreakable.

That raises a whole 'nother issue of people walling themselves off with unbreakable ladders though.
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Re: Please return our ball, mean old neighbour guy.
« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2013, 01:15:02 am »
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Ugh, ladders were awful.  In siege people made these Dr. Seus looking pathways over the walls and onto the flag.  Though maybe if they made it that you couldn't go up ladders carrying a ladder...

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Re: Please return our ball, mean old neighbour guy.
« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2013, 02:39:51 am »
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Don't put ladders back in siege.

The maps are shit and can't handle it.

To bring them back to siege requires a reword of the siege system and better maps with better defences. Also spawn times would have to be cut WAY down.
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Re: Please return our ball, mean old neighbour guy.
« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2013, 07:08:41 pm »
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As a try-hard cavalry lancer who pretty much plays exclusively on the battle server...I say allow ladders and all siege equipment back to battle game mode (and Duel).  And siege equip to siege servers.

Don't allow ladders on siege though, it fucks up the maps.
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Re: Please return our ball, mean old neighbour guy.
« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2013, 07:27:10 pm »
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You talk like a politician. You claim to bring fun. Yet what you actually want is to bring back ladders.

This makes zero sense as ladders in battle or siege were most efficient at ruining the fun of everybody except ranged roofcampers.


As some people suggested, if you really want ladders in battle then the other is to remove all the bad maps that break if ladders are allowed. This means removing all buildings and all trees from all maps. I'm ok with that too. Ladders and buildings together though is a horribly flawed idea.
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Re: Please return our ball, mean old neighbour guy.
« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2013, 09:31:01 pm »
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did they take spikes out of battle?

Wtf?  That's where they can actually be used for something!

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Re: Please return our ball, mean old neighbour guy.
« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2013, 10:34:29 am »
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It's an idiocracy around this har place.

You talk like a politician. You claim to bring fun. Yet what you actually want is to bring back ladders.

This makes zero sense as ladders in battle or siege were most efficient at ruining the fun of everybody except ranged roofcampers.


As some people suggested, if you really want ladders in battle then the other is to remove all the bad maps that break if ladders are allowed. This means removing all buildings and all trees from all maps. I'm ok with that too. Ladders and buildings together though is a horribly flawed idea.

The issue was that people broke the ladders. The most fun battles I had when playing with the Hospitallers were when we had to counter range and it turned into this crazy roof war with small teams of infantry charging around trying to knock out the archer positions.

As I said before, to resolve this upkeep needs to go to the shit on ladders, their HP needs ot jump and if at all possible do that whole "chest that drops ladders" thing.

Boom problem solved, your welcome.
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Re: Please return our ball, mean old neighbour guy.
« Reply #27 on: November 13, 2013, 10:33:23 am »
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The issue was that people broke the ladders.

Not at all. The issue is that people used ladders to get to extremely defendable places. If you really want ladders, add unusable and destroyable ladders up in the sky. A roof stocked with enemy ranged which only access points are ladders is a death trap no matter your class. Suppose you have a shield and manage to get to the actual roof, you die the instant you start actually fighting. Making roofs accessible is introducing siege logic in battle mode. Yet siege works because attackers respawn fast and their goal is not to kill defenders but to take the flag. Intelligent melee in battle mode never use ladders to get to the enemy roof because it only serves one purpose, killing themselves. The only appropriate response is to hide and wait.

The most fun battles I had when playing with the Hospitallers were when we had to counter range and it turned into this crazy roof war with small teams of infantry charging around trying to knock out the archer positions.

As I said before, to resolve this upkeep needs to go to the shit on ladders, their HP needs ot jump and if at all possible do that whole "chest that drops ladders" thing.

Boom problem solved, your welcome.

This could work if throwing a ladder towards a roof of archers actually killed them. It doesn't.


It is however very efficient at killing anything that goes up this ladder under a shower of projectiles, of course. Ladders basically remove cav from the game, one of the few ranged pseudocounters. And additionally make the job of the other pseudocounters even harder, due to the extreme vulnerability of people that climb ladders. On top of that, they make killing those basically invulnerable roofcamping ranged enemies an even more urgent task because roofs provide excellent fire zones. Back then it was frequently impossible to find shelter against projectiles.

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Re: Please return our ball, mean old neighbour guy.
« Reply #28 on: November 13, 2013, 10:04:01 pm »
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It is however very efficient at killing anything that goes up this ladder under a shower of projectiles, of course. Ladders basically remove cav from the game, one of the few ranged pseudocounters. And additionally make the job of the other pseudocounters even harder, due to the extreme vulnerability of people that climb ladders. On top of that, they make killing those basically invulnerable roofcamping ranged enemies an even more urgent task because roofs provide excellent fire zones. Back then it was frequently impossible to find shelter against projectiles.

You think inside the square too much man. You need to think like out side the cubic object, dude.

Siege ladder + Heavy cav + roof = hilarious.
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Re: Please return our ball, mean old neighbour guy.
« Reply #29 on: November 13, 2013, 10:15:54 pm »
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The lack of Carlton on this thread is most disturbing.

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