I remember you backstabbing the coalition yourself a while back. Basically it's not coalition vs wolves/ fenris, but probably something more like rogue vs dirty traitor kinngrimm. Sucks!
i waited for this so now again for a 100th time.
1) Strat 2.0
i had collected bad impressions at the Start of 2.0 from Fallen, Byzantium and Risen, from arrogant to douchbags, when it came to cooperation requests. Resume: Small clans arent worth jack shit
(we have had 15-20 members back then and we were thrilled to join the first time Strategus, if we only had known ^^)In the end of that round i believed partly the propaganda parols by Mercs about Fallen being responsable for most of the problems we have had in the center.
(After talking with Rogue in 4.0, i came meanwhile to some more differentiated conclusions)2) Strat 3.0
In the beginning i told Byzantium Ujin, Nord Okin, Merc Nocti and Ginger aswell Kapikulu BattleGazi i would start in the desert.
I told even more about my plans to Okin, Ginger and Nocti.
Like:
- The exact starting positions
- the clans who are already willing to join the Desert Alliance
- the targets Fallen/HRE/GK we would aim for
At map start, i was surprised that those who either didn't mention or said they would be somewhere else,
turned out to be in the desert, while neglecting, NAP, Defense Pact or Alliance, but using up space i had communicated towards them earlier we would claim.
(that already is a betrayel of trust you could argue)Ujin appologized and said he had forgotten, which i accepted.
Okin just claimed a part of the desert and made in IRC public "whoever is for Fallen, needs to fight the Wolves in the desert" by that it was pretty clear the Desert Alliance had Nords opposing them in the Desert. So we waged war against Nords.
(another betrayel ? i was befor that strat already for motnhs regular on Nrod ts palying with the guys there and really wanted to make an alliance with them, but Okin was just like, no we are neutral, which wouldnt have been that bad, if he wouldnt have used up space where i told him we would be and you know the part about telling everyone our intentions, after that and other similar occations i at some point gave up on him. And with how Nords then reacted on me in 4.0 nothing really could be agreed on there either.)Meanwhile Mercs were disappointed, that their former Contract Partner
(even as we became pretty close in strat 2.0 it was always made clear to me, we have a contract not an alliance.); Then there was that skype screenshot which was leacked to me about "Wolves being Mercs bitches" , which was still quite funny and i didn't took very seriously; Then there i was witness how they also were able to majorly fuck up diplomatic relations when i was in the Union meeting and Ginger basicly showed Union leadership the middlefinger by implying that Union would lie to them about an agreement about a village claim 3 months ago. After accusing the leader he would lie the situation wasnt salvageble anymore and in strat 4.0 we saw the final outcome which to my believe started with that accusation.would not join them again to help hold the center of the map. In strat 2.0 i witnessed some more things which made me choose a different path in 3.0, there i will say no more, never had.
After 2 weeks of war against Nords, it became pretty obvious that they would be supported by someone else.
Wolves had at that time already 70(when i left 120 + 20 free agents), Crusaders 90(later 110 if i remember correctly) members on the map , + French Connection 20 + Camel Screamers 10, + CotgS 15, if you also count our NA Allies, Hospitallers with 60 at start Occitan with 40 and Lost Legion with around 10.
Nords had roughly 30 at start and at the end of the war around 40, at end of that map 70 in strat 4.0 many more members. The numbers game was on our side.
We have had from day 1 a trade agreement with Grey Order, and a NAP with DRZ. That was pretty much the diplomacy towards UIF. We the Desert Alliance back in the day intended to be the 3rd powerblock or replace one of the others.
Now to that socalled betrayel. As already known by now, the Desert Alliances targets, partners and locations,
i was from day 1 till about 1 to 2 motnhs into the game when this peace meeting was, regularly approached.
By Marktplatz, by BattleGazi, by Ujin, by several Mercs, all pretty much with the same message to me.
Come on, make peace with Nords, just grab the areas of Templars, forget about the small factions and march with us together against DRZ.
That was the refrain.
As we then were in a stalement with Nords, who got resupplied as i was later also confired, at that time but only suspected, by Byzantium, Kapikulu and HRE, which held that war artificialy alife, there i was one evening invited to an "Alliance" meeting.
I was currious, why i would be invited to an Alliance meeting and who else would be there, as i wasnt part of their alliance ^^.
So i went there and heared again the refrain, but this time with more force and more voices at the same time, besides those i mentioned before, there also had been Fallen and Nords in ts. Nords came a bit later, as the others first needed to work me. After a while i got upset, but kept my cool. I told them, "i couldnt just leave my alliance partners alone"; "but perhaps templars would wanna join in, if i may collect alpha and ask him about that too". Silcene .. .then i believe Ujin said "that would be even better"
(remember Ujin always ranting about numbers ...)Anyhow, i went back to my ts and chatted with alpha in steam and he came by and we taked, first he was like "wtf"
then he became aware that i was really pissed at those bastards and he figured, "we are not doing that for real" ... silence ... gigling like little kids ... "nope we wont". There the ruse was born.
Now if anyone should have known by then, it should have been Mercs.
In strat 2,0, FCC/BRD Matey, tried to bribe me and make me brake my word over a period of 3 months. Partly it was quite funny what he tried and we chatted then quite often, partly i was annyoed and sick to my stomach afterwards. Every*fucking*time he tried, i told Mercs about it, "Yo guess who wrote me again ^^" ; "Ah matey tried again ^^". So Mercs should really have known, and when you would for a moment concider that what i told so far is as close to the truth as objectivly possible(surly out of my perspective but everything is subjectiv after all)Then you would acknowledge that noone really would have believed me, which Loki also stated later, that "we are all in", pressed into that "unholy Alliance" alpha and other memebrs of the Desert Allaince called it since then.
Another missconception but not from the euros but the NA guys, they beleived we first afterwards took Hospitallers in, but Hospitallers who i first made contact to through after i saw how they were the only once really making an effort defending shit in 2.0 of the Northern Alliance, they were full alliance partners all the way and got from time to time resupplies, and did a helll of a job skirmishing Fallen. We took over Hospitaller goods and swapped them with Grey Order at the beginning, later Union made sepparated deals with Hospitallers/Occitan.
Some may have not seen the big picture, but at least 60% of those parties at the table of these 2 unholy alliance meetings were aware, everything afterwards the flamewar and the hate mails and endless topics and pages of propaganda was just frustration on their part that they didnt finish us of when they thought they had the chance, but made peace in hope for us chaning our minds and i would accept to betrayel someone else on the behalf of the unholly Allaince. Also i didnt get any information out of this i didnt already knew about, a few confirmations yes, but nothing really new. As i said i have had upto 20 guys without clan tag on scouting duty, most boring job ever, but they filled in information regularly in our forum.
After all it was not possible for me , to change my mind, i was not only leader of my clan, but sort of leader of an international, transcontinantel alliance of 340 to upto roughly 420 players. We had agreements from the beginning, as i have had them with Mercs in 2.0. I sticked to these agreements. I didnt only plan for strat 3.0 but also towards 4.0, finding clans and leaders we would get along with so a prolonged cooperation would be possible.
So yes i did make a ruse in a timeline of
2 weeks and then we lifted the shadows again.
Strat 4.0
Chris, Nogo, Austriano, Kalikado(former Wolf), Lance and the other Bros, worked together with me for
over half a year, we did come to know each other quite well in that time and i allways told them about the big picture, and that things need a lot of patience and time. I gave them first one, then a second village, we helped them to get Hrus castle and 2 villages there. When they joined in with Risen, i warned him, as Risen has had not a good track record within this very strategus, they wouldnt listen. I told him befor they made Steel Axis, that they wouldnt have 5 but 3-4 fiefs, they would need to give away 1-2 of those fiefs again, he didnt liked that. Reason were all in all missing numbers and also that we got new partners. He didnt like that i asked him to relocate to Yruma, he could have said no but he didnt, I could have lived with a no, but instead he started at some point lieing, braking the trust. Some have suggested to me, Bros had been a plant from the beginning by Mercs, i didnt believe that, i still dont. Im my believe you first need to give trust, then people will give you trust in return and yes sometimes you can miss a nuance or in this case didnt want to believe they would go behind my back ... i was trusting.
On the other hand, BlackFist had started out as vassals as did Bros, when BlackFist cancled the vassalage, i tried to the best of my abilites to also help establshing them afterwards on the map, mostly i was asked a whole in my brain
, in the beginning by Heskeytime then by LeMikz. So doing indepandancy was not a big deal, that option but for Bros was not enough, they needed to declare war ... because i have been so bad to them ... yeah sure .... no because it was clear from the beginning if you leave the CFA you leave the CFA fiefs behind ... It would have been more honest just to stay in Hrus castle and declare yourself neutral ... but Yruma castel has had some other advantages i guess ...
These two situations
no_rules_just_play are so different on so many levels, that simplfying it in the sense of it would be the same .... that it is just mindboggling wrong.
Welcome back.
thanks man and congratz to Fisdnar. After a too long exile you have finnally returned to your rightful heritage.
