War of Northern Aggression

[HarryCrumb]

anyone who thinks relit is a bad dude is simply mistaken. he's the dad who gives out apples on halloween. kesh ain't a bad dude either, just misunderstood because he frequently writes on here intentionally acting like a grade-A turd but is honestly a pretty genuine guy on TS. lets remove the personal attacks on others personalities and focus on doing more battles with less complaining (and cup).

In the wise words of Nas (he's a rapper, relit)
"War is necessary"

[Zanze]

Can we continue on the war without all this? I understand it sucks for both ends, but arguing and slandering each other over it accomplishes nothing. I don't claim to know the full details on the situation, nor do i feel it is necessary to know them. But it is both something we can both turn aside and move on from. The battle was fought, things happened before and after, let us continue. Relit is out, and he was a good friend and mentor, but we can move on and continue this without so much diplomatic bloodshed. If someone has to quit a game because it is stressing them out too much for whatever reason, something is wrong in that situation. I may have no say in the actions of either party after this, but simply hope that it would be done with more respect toward each other so that people stop quitting.

(All this is a personal opinion and does not reflect Raven leadership or the clan in general)

[Artyem]

We tried pretty hard to keep things civil from our end, you have to be blind to not understand that the original post here is a satire.  I guess we should have anticipated the shit storm that rained on us though, because I've learned over time that negotiating with FCC is like trying to have a conversation with a brick wall.  You can say whatever you need to however many times in however many different ways, but in the end you're talking to a wall and good god that wall is going to keep being made of bricks.

BaleOhay always seemed pretty busy, and I guess he was the best to talk with if I wanted to somehow contact FCC, we did a lot of trading with them at the start of Strat, which I am grateful for.  Unfortunately I almost never saw him online during any of this, and it's only now that I understand why Sandersson and Arowaine stopped trying to negotiate, it's pretty well unbearable.

Anytime we (Raven / Dracul) did pretty much anything that wasn't pro FCC, I was the one receiving messages from all three leaders.  Usually it was Kesh and Matey going off at me about how whatever we were doing was wrong, against them, and your typical mopey bullshit about how we were betraying them.  Really, you guys pulled the "you're our friends!" card a lot, but I don't think friends accuse friends of backstabbing because they go to arms for their allies in a defensive war.  I don't recall any time that an FCC member came to our TS just to hang out, it was just "hey guys come to this battle" or "why the fuck did you guys do that, that was wrong!".

Kesh, I left you that message on steam to avoid anymore forum conflict, but I should have expected you would try to use it as leverage.  Even just threatening to post it only further proves the point that's being made here, and I guess you really are just the bigger nerd in this war.  Be my guest, post it if you really think it'll accomplish anything.

Regardless, I'm not going to waste any more time feeding your delusional internet persona's shitty behavior.  I'm going to go play some video games with my friends and then enjoy this nice holiday with my friends and family, enjoy the battles, everyone.

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sorry for the autistic wall of text, I couldn't help myself

[Matey]

I may have no say in the actions of either party after this, but simply hope that it would be done with more respect toward each other so that people stop quitting.

FCC has been very respectful and friendly during this war but recently that respect hasn't been returned by CC. That's where this whole mess came from. Strat and cRPG can be very infuriating games and quitting or taking a break can absolutely be the right thing for people to do, but it is very disrespectful to blame other people for your leaving. I like Relit and I would not call him a bad guy at all. I think he was just stressed out with all this but he honestly thinks it was a total douchebag "win at all cost" move to sign people up for that 1650 vs 50 battle. That isn't a dick move... It is just signing mercs up for a defence... Every single time you attack someone in strat you should expect people to show up to defend themselves.

I hope I'm not making this any worse but it isn't fair to be so insulting to us and then just expect us to say "oh sorry for us acting like jerks, we can move on now". Things have gotten silly in this thread in the last bit but prior to that we haven't done anything to deserve the hatred and insults that we have been getting. For the war to be respectful it requires BOTH sides to show respect. Like any war though, most people on both sides have been great, so all this drama is really blown out of proportion.


I figured I'd edit this instead of double posting.

We tried pretty hard to keep things civil from our end, you have to be blind to not understand that the original post here is a satire.  I guess we should have anticipated the shit storm that rained on us though, because I've learned over time that negotiating with FCC is like trying to have a conversation with a brick wall.  You can say whatever you need to however many times in however many different ways, but in the end you're talking to a wall and good god that wall is going to keep being made of bricks.



Anytime we (Raven / Dracul) did pretty much anything that wasn't pro FCC, I was the one receiving messages from all three leaders.  Usually it was Kesh and Matey going off at me about how whatever we were doing was wrong, against them, and your typical mopey bullshit about how we were betraying them.  Really, you guys pulled the "you're our friends!" card a lot, but I don't think friends accuse friends of backstabbing because they go to arms for their allies in a defensive war.  I don't recall any time that an FCC member came to our TS just to hang out, it was just "hey guys come to this battle" or "why the fuck did you guys do that, that was wrong!".

Ok so. First off... Feeling like you are talking to a brick wall goes both ways. When two people are trying to convince each other of something and neither of them is able to do so... it isn't just one person who feels like they are talking to a brick wall. it is both.

secondly: I don't know about Kesh and Bale but I never even talked strat with you until CC formed. I never bugged you about other shit. As for since CC formed... I  have talked to you a few times and I did try to stop this war from happening... Can you blame me? considering how relations have soured in this war I think maybe you can understand why we might not have wanted it? We've been in tons of strat wars... people always get pissed off; too much time and effort goes into strat for people not to get upset if things aren't going well.

[BaleOhay]

Bale the voice of calm in an anger world.

here goes
sorry u hate us
we still do not hate u
Sorry this war is causing you stress
we are sort of used to it by now. Even miss it when we are not fighting
Sorry for kesh
we think daruvian is worse
Sorry you are not having fun
we actually were till this thread

[Sandersson Jankins]

Here's a short post hopefully devoid of autism.

Nearly a dozen battles in a row, only 3 of which being victories and only 1 of those (the defense of Narra, a nearly impregnable fortress of fuck-shit) getting us a greater than 1 K/D ratio take a lot out of dedicated mercs, and take even more out of the poor nerds leading those fights. Hell, 2-5 fights a day for a few days are exhausting even if both opponents are evenly matched. Seeing only 25 mercenaries signed up only an hour before a battle is damn disheartening. Watching players continuously charge out to get slaughtered by five or more enemies, earning a K/D of .3 or lower at the end of the battle fucking blows cock. Watching players actually try to listen to the leadership but STILL get destroyed when it comes down to the fighting actually sucks even more.

Last time when it was The Frisian Freedom faction fighting FCC in villages or field battles, we performed extremely well, only losing a single fight outside of the castle sieges, which we got our dick kicked in on. I, and most of the rest of us expected similar results in field/village fights. Instead, its been a frustrating experience. If the only problem was getting shit-stomped in battles, it wouldn't be nearly as bad. The bigger issue, related to the first is the number of mercenaries signing up for us. We're fortunate to actually get a full roster, but to simply accomplish this, we're forced to accept any EU and even Chinese (that was a mistake, poor motherfuckers with 300-600 ping teamkill and waste shit like mad, through no fault of their own. An empty slot is actually better!).

Here's the conclusion (lol short post i don't think so). After talking to Havelle, who is damn near the most encouraging and helpful motherfucker I have the pleasure of playing videogames on the internet with, I'll do my best to suck my nerd-frustration up and kick your asses. Yeah, after a shit-fest of 4 battles in a row that all ended with us getting spawncamped progressively harder, I steam-messaged Matey saying "lol this is gay i think im gonna quit" and that was stupid and useless. It accomplished nothing but making me even more disillusioned with Strategus; it was nothing more than a whine. I popped into your TS and poked Kesh with "lol u win strat congratulations" and that one made me feel better for some reason, so I don't regret it.

tldr; fighting FCC sucks dick for multiple reasons but since I'm autism-bound to do it I might as well do it the best I can


LESS THAN TWO MINUTES AFTER POST EDIT: I don't know how the fuck anyone could say Daruvian is worse than Kesh on the forums. Kesh posts grammatically dubious pseudo text-walls with lots of hyperbole and propaganda (usually, the last two or so were actually fine, and that made them worse to read somehow, probably because I couldn't mentally dismiss them as "lolkesh") while Daruvian's posts are creative and blatant insults, images, and videos. Nearly every Daruvian post makes me chuckle but Kesh's posts make me grimace in nerd-disgust.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Bale the voice of calm in an anger world.

here goes
sorry u hate us
we still do not hate u
Sorry this war is causing you stress
we are sort of used to it by now. Even miss it when we are not fighting
Sorry for kesh
we think daruvian is worse
Sorry you are not having fun
we actually were till this thread

Bale, we accept your apology for Kesh, and even better, I have an offer for you! If you give me personally 10mil cRPG gold and 10 3+ looms we'll take Kesh off your hands and recruit him into our strat faction, act now and we'll even tell Daruvian to shut up, which he will ignore.

[Matey]

LESS THAN TWO MINUTES AFTER POST EDIT: I don't know how the fuck anyone could say Daruvian is worse than Kesh on the forums. Kesh posts grammatically dubious pseudo text-walls with lots of hyperbole and propaganda (usually, the last two or so were actually fine, and that made them worse to read somehow, probably because I couldn't mentally dismiss them as "lolkesh") while Daruvian's posts are creative and blatant insults, images, and videos. Nearly every Daruvian post makes me chuckle but Kesh's posts make me grimace in nerd-disgust.

Refer to Daru's most recent post in this thread.

p.s. daru is your friend so you are more likely to find him hilarious.
p.p.s. I'm mostly fine with daru now except when he really flips out or makes awful posts like his most recent in this thread.

[Sandersson Jankins]

Refer to Daru's most recent post in this thread.

p.s. daru is your friend so you are more likely to find him hilarious.
p.p.s. I'm mostly fine with daru now except when he really flips out or makes awful posts like his most recent in this thread.

Referred to his most recent post in the thread multiple times, smirked or laughed each time. It is true that you're more likely to agree with or find posts funny someone you've got a positive personal

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your rights end where my feelings begin

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Referred to his most recent post in the thread multiple times, smirked or laughed each time. It is true that you're more likely to agree with or find posts funny someone you've got a positive personal

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relationship with, but I've seen Smegmar and others make similar posts and I still laughed. Maybe my brow is considerably lower than yours or something.

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your rights end where my feelings begin

omg you're in love with Smegmar I knew you was gay <3

[Lt_Anders]

Here's a short post hopefully devoid of autism.
Seeing only 25 mercenaries signed up only an hour before a battle is damn disheartening.

Last time when it was The Frisian Freedom faction fighting FCC in villages or field battles, we performed extremely well, only losing a single fight outside of the castle sieges, which we got our dick kicked in on. I, and most of the rest of us expected similar results in field/village fights. Instead, its been a frustrating experience. If the only problem was getting shit-stomped in battles, it wouldn't be nearly as bad. The bigger issue, related to the first is the number of mercenaries signing up for us. We're fortunate to actually get a full roster, but to simply accomplish this, we're forced to accept any EU and even Chinese (that was a mistake, poor motherfuckers with 300-600 ping teamkill and waste shit like mad, through no fault of their own. An empty slot is actually better!).

Well, if you guys were bigger nerds you could sign me up. I apply, always, to both sides. Wish the rest of WFA would sign up more, but they work till 9/10 EST unlike my 9-5 job.

Also: 2/7 battles and My KDR for you side is 1:1 which is decent to good for me. I'm usually under that unless it's a perfectly flat cav map(which means KDR goes WAY up cause cav is hard, buff cav).

700k from 34, you bastards better keep that XP up.

[MURDERTRON]

Artyem I used to hang out in your TS all the time, when I was still in FCC.  But then you started being all high strung after becoming an admin. That's why Apple and I cheated on you, in FCC TS.

Refer to Daru's most recent post in this thread.

p.s. daru is your friend so you are more likely to find him hilarious.
p.p.s. I'm mostly fine with daru now except when he really flips out or makes awful posts like his most recent in this thread.

Matey , how can you say that about Daru???  He said the n-word on the internet.  He has earned his cool kid spot at the back of the bus... 

Wait , is it weird that the cool kids sat at the back of the bus, while African Americans were forced to for quite some time?  And at that time, the n-word really flew.  Maybe Daru just wants to be black...

[Sandersson Jankins]

Well, if you guys were bigger nerds you could sign me up. I apply, always, to both sides. Wish the rest of WFA would sign up more, but they work till 9/10 EST unlike my 9-5 job.

Also: 2/7 battles and My KDR for you side is 1:1 which is decent to good for me. I'm usually under that unless it's a perfectly flat cav map(which means KDR goes WAY up cause cav is hard, buff cav).

700k from 34, you bastards better keep that XP up.

During The Frisian Freedom days I was (somewhat shamefully) on-par with Kesh on the roster-nerding department. For various reasons I've got less time and desire to do that, so I'm unable to snag people like you most of the time. Shame, you and your ilk are real fucking pains in the ass to deal with on our equipment and forward spawn.

[Artyem]

Artyem I used to hang out in your TS all the time, when I was still in FCC.  But then you started being all high strung after becoming an admin. That's why Apple and I cheated on you, in FCC TS.

Hey, it isn't easy being an admin, I have to actually pay attention in game now, it's a hard job.

[BaleOhay]

Bale, we accept your apology for Kesh, and even better, I have an offer for you! If you give me personally 10mil cRPG gold and 10 3+ looms we'll take Kesh off your hands and recruit him into our strat faction, act now and we'll even tell Daruvian to shut up, which he will ignore.

no thanks we like kesh. If you learn to read keshspeak you can even find that his rants are full of truth. He hides it behind his way of communicating but it is there to be found. Also he is prob the single best strat person in NA. I am not just saying that because he is in our faction.