Increase the speed and damage on polearms.

[Rebelyell]

What upsets me is that the pole stabs are seemingly the weakest stabs in the game lately.
Longsword thrusts outreach the war spear's, Danish can outreach a long spear.
It's a shame that the primary stabbing weapons are pretty much always outclassed by swords.
This game is about swords now.

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[Pentecost]

I disagree with your assertion that the War Spear is somehow underpowered. I have used one extensively myself, and, in my own experience, it's a ridiculously effective and versatile weapon. It's long; it's extremely fast on all of its attacks--especially the stab, and it's even an excellent support weapon too if you use it with a shield. Its swings were indeed very anemic a few patches ago, but those were buffed and are now more than acceptable if you have a normal amount of strength.

[Rhaelys]

Instead of adjusting stats, improve the polearm thrust animation so that you can benefit from the full extension of your right arm. As it is currently, only the left arm fully extends, which leads to really shitty thrust length compared to both 1H and 2H thrust animations, which feature full extension of the right arm.

[Butan]

I think this is the most important parameter to compare with:

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Longer <=> slower
Shorter <=> faster


The weight and damage (+ damage type) can vary a bit, and thats what gives some weapons an "edge" on other weapons of the same category, but it also follows a quite linear progression between :


More damage <=> more weight
More damage/weight <=> slower

etc...



There must be some "incoherence" somewhere, since cRPG host so many different weapons, but nothing too strange when you really compare all the stats and their equivalent counterparts.



My post doesnt mean that some polearms cant be buffed, just that they doesnt need to be because of the speed and weight that you used to argue.
I think the animation is where we should be tinkering more...

[Sauce]

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[Sauce]

I think this is the most important parameter to compare with:

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Longer <=> slower
Shorter <=> faster


The weight and damage (+ damage type) can vary a bit, and thats what gives some weapons an "edge" on other weapons of the same category, but it also follows a quite linear progression between :


More damage <=> more weight
More damage/weight <=> slower

etc...



There must be some "incoherence" somewhere, since cRPG host so many different weapons, but nothing too strange when you really compare all the stats and their equivalent counterparts.



My post doesnt mean that some polearms cant be buffed, just that they doesnt need to be because of the speed and weight that you used to argue.
I think the animation is where we should be tinkering more...

This is irrelevant because of this :

1h
Overhead = +0
Left-to-right = +0
Right-to-left = +19
Thrust = +61

2h
Overhead = +15
Left-to-right = +17
Right-to-left = +13
Thrust = +80 (This may be slightly wrong with the new stab animation)

2h Polearms
Overhead = -15
Left-to-right = -7
Right-to-left = -2
Thrust = +19

1h Polearms
Thrust = +50

(Source: http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,9245.0.html)


Yes, balancing speed around weapon length might make sense but as you see the animations are still a problem.

[no_rules_just_play]

what sauce said^


polearms slow you down more because of their longer stats, but these longer stats are not worth the lesser speed because you actually have a much shorter animation.
Maybe polearms dont need a buff, but im sure there can be done something about the onehanders and the twohanders. (dont be too harsh on the 1h, i was so stupid to loom one :/)

[San]

That animation reach bonus is so off. For 1h, I know for a fact that overhead beats left swing on reach and right swing is better than what's listed there. I think less reach bonus is balanced by just having more raw weapon reach. However, the animation could benefit from a reach bonus between what it is now and the current hoplite reach bonus. I believe that the halfway point is ~+15.

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[oohillac]

buff longspear speed

YES YES

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[dreadnok]

My name is sauce wah wah I'm hot wah wah. Fucking A give the guy what he wants. Hours upon hours of joy thiss guy has brought to my piece of shit worthless non existent life and you can't buff his sharp stick shit? This game is going full retard

[Bjord]

My name is sauce wah wah I'm hot wah wah. Fucking A give the guy what he wants. Hours upon hours of joy thiss guy has brought to my piece of shit worthless non existent life and you can't buff his sharp stick shit? This game is going full retard

Nah, just you.

[Falka]

improve the polearm thrust animation    As it is currently, only the left arm fully extends, which leads to really shitty thrust length

 

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[pingpong]

i say long polearms like pike, L spear and bamboo  pike need buffs, i had 18/21 build with 6 ps and i glanced people with no armor like hell with pike

[Gurnisson]

long spear needs a buff?

[Chasey]

long spear needs a buff?

ooh ooh yes please