1h stab

[Ronin]

See? It is so unreal that no proper word is enough to describe it

[Akynos]

Just for shits and giggles:

Here are some comparisons between 1h and 2h swords that have both swings and thrusts. (I didn't compare polearms in this as most high-stab damage polearms are only 2-directional)

	2 handers	1 handers
Average Speed	94	99
Average Length	116	105
Average Thrust	23p	24p
Average Swing	39c	30c

On average 1-handers have 1 more point of thrust damage than 2-handers. To overcome this horrendous shortcoming, they compensate with their much higher swing damage on 3 of their attack directions, much longer length with only slightly slower swing speed.

Let's look at the top 3 thrusting swords of both 1h and 2h.

	German Greatsword	Great Sword	Danish Greatsword	Espada Eslavona	Scottish Sword	Side Sword
Speed	90	93	90	102	103	99
Length	123	120	124	90	80	95
Thrust	27	26	25	31	30	29
Swing	39	37	41	25	27	29

Going down the list, the 1-handers are WAY faster than the 2-handers. The difference between the fastest and slowest weapon is 13 points of speed.

The 2-handers are WAY longer than the 1-handers with a difference of 44 points between the longest and shortest.

The 1-handers have noticeably higher thrust damage with a difference of 6 points between the weakest and strongest.

The 2-handers have DRAMATICALLY higher swing damage with a difference of 16 points between the weakest and strongest.

I still don't see how 1-handers are as overpowered as everyone says they are. The 1-h thrust weapons that do a lot of damage have laughably low damage on 3 of their attacks (with a slight exception to the side sword), combined with dramatically lower length. They only thing they have going for them is their speed.

So again, (not surprisingly) the CRPG community is blowing things WAY out of proportion.

If you are to try a rational, scientific approach to the comparaison, at least compare apples with apples.

-Can 2h swing with a shield?
-Have you taken into account the real reach of each weapon based on animations?
-Have you taken into account secondary factors such as nudges and kicks?

Oh, and last but not least, I learned that proving your point through comparaisons is the worst form of argument. Play the game.

[Xant]

Oh, and last but not least, I learned that proving your point through comparaisons is the worst form of argument. Play the game.

Oh yeah, fuck everything objective, like numbers. Let's all instead just go on our gut feel.

[Nightmare798]

If you are to try a rational, scientific approach to the comparaison, at least compare apples with apples.

-Can 2h swing with a shield?
-Have you taken into account the real reach of each weapon based on animations?
-Have you taken into account secondary factors such as nudges and kicks?

Oh, and last but not least, I learned that proving your point through comparaisons is the worst form of argument. Play the game.

go ahead and try to use right swing as 1h. granted, you would be dead in few seconds. we shielders dont have the luxury of point blank slashing that hits for full damage. we have to aim our attacks.

-Can 2h swing with a shield?

better question is: can 1h swing while blocking?

-Have you taken into account the real reach of each weapon based on animations?

ofc, weapon reach doesnt matter. thats why everyone gets longest weapon possible. just to look cool    /endsarcasm

-Have you taken into account secondary factors such as nudges and kicks?

i had a really good laugh from this, 2h has same benefits, and they have much better conditions for kicks.

[Akynos]

go ahead and try to use right swing as 1h. granted, you would be dead in few seconds. we shielders dont have the luxury of point blank slashing that hits for full damage. we have to aim our attacks.



better question is: can 1h swing while blocking?

ofc, weapon reach doesnt matter. thats why everyone gets longest weapon possible. just to look cool    /endsarcasm

i had a really good laugh from this, 2h has same benefits, and they have much better conditions for kicks.

As you said yourself, ''i had a really good laugh from this''

[Nightmare798]

As you said yourself, ''i had a really good laugh from this''

sure go ahead, stay in your world of blissful ignorance.
unlike you, i played both weapon types extensivelly, and i tell you, if you all werent jackasses trying to hiltslash someone s ass, you might have a better chance of survival. days when you could just run around in circles while slashing like madmen is over.

OHHH the shocker! when a guy stabs you in the face when you try to run into shielders blind spot to slash him in the back!

center your enemy, l2block, time you attacks, and you will have no trouble.

[Akynos]

sure go ahead, stay in your world of blissful ignorance.
unlike you, i played both weapon types extensivelly, and i tell you, if you all werent jackasses trying to hiltslash someone s ass, you might have a better chance of survival. days when you could just run around in circles while slashing like madmen is over.

OHHH the shocker! when a guy stabs you in the face when you try to run into shielders blind spot to slash him in the back!

center your enemy, l2block, time you attacks, and you will have no trouble.

My mommy told me not to mock handicapped people, but damn you're a fine one haha

[Nightmare798]

My mommy told me not to mock handicapped people, but damn you're a fine one haha

it takes one to know one.

plz go back in-game and abooze HS more.

[Akynos]

it takes one to know one.

plz go back in-game and abooze HS more.

Maybe one day you'll realise I'm 1h since the last patch and light will shine through your mind ;)

[BlindGuy]

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Best answer here.

[Nightmare798]

Maybe one day you'll realise I'm 1h since the last patch and light will shine through your mind ;)

that doesnt mean a thing. you just jumped classes. this has no relevance whatsoever.

[Bobthehero]

I for one love the stab, you shouldn't touch it, the 2h heroescrybabies should learn to stuff it and deal with it.

[Paul]

I increased 1h stab blocked anim duration by 50ms for next patch. I won't do anything else.

[rufio]

solid tweak, lets see how it plays out. thx paul

[Xant]

You know you've fucked up, Paul, when Rufio thinks your tweak is solid.