Remove shield skill from shields

[Rebelyell]

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so we can stop whining about ranged and start using that supercomplicated  wooden piece of shit called shield
I post that here so we may can some respond from devs

also that should be not that hard to balance that

shield with no shield skill should allow us to block arrows , bolts and melee attack with reduced speed force field and duration

shield for utylity 2013

always thought having a sorta wpf thing going on for shield would be nice

I find this a pretty good idea, make the shields extremely slow for blocking and much weaker when used without shield skill. As long as having 0 shield skill makes you fairly unable to fight with a shield I don't see a balance problem with it at all. It still costs you upkeep, reduces movement speed through being dead weight and takes up a slot. It would allow shieldless melee to pick up a shield from the floor to deal with last ranged standing which causes less drawn out rounds, which I can't see as a bad thing.

This idea would provide a good balance between being able to protect yourself from ranged without forcing everyone into the same boring 1h or hoplite fighting style like Native does. +1

I think if the difficulties are removed, shield skill should increase shield speed, increase cover area, and reduce less speed of the 1h weapon when using shield+1h. So everyone can use a shield, but if u dont want to get shot in the feet or having people wiggle their weapons behind your shields and hit u, or use a 1h weapon without having tons of weapon speed and damage reduction, u need shield skillz

approach could be to have a shield with requirement above your skill usless for fighting by making it
 
a) unsheathable
b) not usable with a weapon (drawing a weapon makes you drop the shield immediately) 

so you could basically only hold it in front of you,  dropping it if you wanna do anything else.

and IF you disagree please leave your opinion down there

[Friedturtle]

no?

[Grumbs]

You mean remove Difficulty as a requirement?

Only problem with that would be people taking top tier shields without investing any points into something, would allow for some very strong 1 hand/shield builds

I think the lower tier shields should simply be less trash than now, at least make them weigh a lot less and reduce the shield penetration

[Kirman]

What skill?

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Well on the topic, if they remove shield skill it will be so easy to make 1hander build with high ath and high ps. Actually i would love it but it doesn't seem possible. You are right about something. 2-3 shield point is never enough against an archer.

[Armycook_of_KSantiago]

I think if the difficulties are removed, shield skill should increase shield speed, increase cover area, and reduce less speed of the 1h weapon when using shield+1h. So everyone can use a shield, but if u dont want to get shot in the feet or having people wiggle their weapons behind your shields and hit u, or use a 1h weapon without having tons of weapon speed and damage reduction, u need shield skillz

[Templar_Steevee]

Bobby you are drunk, go sleep.

[Rebelyell]

You mean remove Difficulty as a requirement?

Only problem with that would be people taking top tier shields without investing any points into something, would allow for some very strong 1 hand/shield builds

I think the lower tier shields should simply be less trash than now, at least make them weigh a lot less and reduce the shield penetration

make them shit in meele without shield skill

like 2h with shield or no forcefield ect, just let us have cover with more than 5hp

[Prpavi]

I get what you're getting at but that would be an incredible buff for a dedicated 1h shield class, so no.

[Torben]

always thought having a sorta wpf thing going on for shield would be nice

[Rebelyell]

always thought having a sorta wpf thing going on for shield would be nice

good sugestion

[Teeth]

I find this a pretty good idea, make the shields extremely slow for blocking and much weaker when used without shield skill. As long as having 0 shield skill makes you fairly unable to fight with a shield I don't see a balance problem with it at all. It still costs you upkeep, reduces movement speed through being dead weight and takes up a slot. It would allow shieldless melee to pick up a shield from the floor to deal with last ranged standing which causes less drawn out rounds, which I can't see as a bad thing.

This idea would provide a good balance between being able to protect yourself from ranged without forcing everyone into the same boring 1h or hoplite fighting style like Native does. +1

[Akynos]

Mod is ded, save your spit for your last breaths before dying to archers on the battlefields.

[San]

I like it. The penalties still need to be looked at, since even 2 shield can be great in melee as long as it lasts. I feel that people would be able to manage with 0 easily. However, this change would dissuade me even more from raising shield skill that much. I raise shield skill just so I could pick up certain shields off the ground if the need arises. Shield skill needs quite a few changes, but this is a great first step.

[BlueKnight]

Bobby posted something worth reading! +1

[Daunt_Flockula]

I'd personally love to have free protection against all those bolts and arrows flying at me too but removing shield skill would cause a lot more balance problems than meets the eye at first glance.