Are you kidding me?

[Utraque]

If you are going to nerf heirloomed horses so much that they are barely indistinguishable from their standard version, at least do us the courtesy of refunding the heirloom. Honest to god.

I don't write in forums that often, but the continuous revisions to items *AFTER* major patches is really irksome. I understand that tweaks are necessary, but do them *BEFORE* you refund heirlooms. Otherwise, the decision to use a costly heirloom (1-31 in game time for a user) on an item is, in effect, an uninformed decision.

If we cannot even trust that things ARE what they SAY they are (or will continue to be, tomorrow), then **what incentive do we have to invest the time in CRPG**?

None. There is a reason that I've been playing Mount and Musket of late. The pernicious combination of uncertainty (patch changes) and grind (always minding repair bills) means that not only is it time-consuming to get rewards such as heirlooms, but those rewards were falsely advertised.

[okiN]

If we cannot even trust that things ARE what they SAY they are (or will continue to be, tomorrow), then **what incentive do we have to invest the time in CRPG**?

None.

Your call. The mod is in active development. If you want stability, feel free to wait for a final version.

[Nindur]

You should be happy....I use a heirloomed catphract and a x3 Heirloomed Kite sheild.....they both got nerfed into the dirt, so my two favourite items are more or less useless to me now :


Which I dont really have a problem with because skill is more imporatant then heirlooms now......I  have yet to look over the exact numbers on the different horses now....but as long as they nerfed the SHIT out of the courser....I dont have a problem with the horse nerfs

[Baggy]

I think the smilies express your inense disapoitment hidden under a smiling facade.

[chadz]

I'd like to hear examples of these items that got nerfed so hard.

Please post the values before and after.

[Magikarp]

I'd like to hear examples of these items that got nerfed so hard.

Please post the values before and after.

For example a cataphract 3/3:

Before:
hit points: 125
body armor:50
difficulty: 5
speed: 42
maneuver: 44
charge: 42

After:
hit points: 135
body armor: 51
difficulty: 5
speed: 40
maneuver: 42
charge: 42

Which now makes it just as useless as all the other armoured horses, they are simply not worth it anymore. Too slow and unmanouverable. Charge damage is minimal, armour isn't useful when your horse is too slow to get you out of there alive.

[chadz]

-2 speed, -2 maneuver, +10 hitpoints, +1 armor
I am sorry, are you serious?

[Belatu]

-2 speed, -2 maneuver, +10 hitpoints, +1 armor
I am sorry, are you serious?

feel the hate!!!!!!

[Magikarp]

-2 speed, -2 maneuver, +10 hitpoints, +1 armor
I am sorry, are you serious?

You devs seem to forget how useless those extra hp and armorpoints are and how useful speed and manouvre are.
Speed and Manouverability form the key stats for a horse, nerf them, and you nerf the horses which lack them the most.

All I'm asking for is for armoured horses heirlooms to be reverted, light horses must stay the same to prevent insane manouverability on Arabian Warhorses and the like.

[okiN]

It's not a nerf on horses, though, it's a nerf on heirlooms. And while it's significant, it's in no way crippling.

[Baggy]

More hp and armour is the whole point of them horses.

[Magikarp]

It's not a nerf on horses, though, it's a nerf on heirlooms. And while it's significant, it's in no way crippling.

It is crippling to the diversity you wanted horsemen to have.

Armoured Horses are made even more useless compared to light ones.

[chadz]

As you may know, I have nothing to do with item balancing, I just receive all the whine.

Now I wanted to see what this whine is about. I always thought items would lose like 10% of their effectiveness or something. So now I wanted to have a look at the stats myself. This stuff is not even worth mentioning. No one would notice the difference without having a look at the values.

Seriously, if it's not at least 5-10% stat loss, stop the whine, please.

All I'm asking for is for armoured horses heirlooms to be reverted, light horses must stay the same to prevent insane manouverability on Arabian Warhorses and the like.

No you were not asking for it, you were crying like a little baby. And believe it or not, we not only ignore whine, we have great fun reading it.
So if you want to be taken seriously, make a proper post about it, kthxbai.

[Elio]

For Horses :

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Buffed horses for HA : Desert Horse (+1 speed) & Arabian Horse (+2 speed) (-2 maneuver, but still 50)
Buffed : Destrier (+1 speed) (+1 charge)

Nerfed : Cataphract Horse (-3 body armor)

[Magikarp]

As you may know, I have nothing to do with item balancing, I just receive all the whine.

Now I wanted to see what this whine is about. I always thought items would lose like 10% of their effectiveness or something. So now I wanted to have a look at the stats myself. This stuff is not even worth mentioning. No one would notice the difference without having a look at the values.

Seriously, if it's not at least 5-10% stat loss, stop the whine, please.
No you were not asking for it, you were crying like a little baby. And believe it or not, we not only ignore whine, we have great fun reading it.
So if you want to be taken seriously, make a proper post about it, kthxbai.

What is not proper about my posts when I talk about cav? I'm not crying, simply trying to have a normal discussion on the subject. But I've seen your mate cmpx behave the same, unwilling to show he was wrong.

All you guys ever reply to people like me, backing up their statements with arguments, is: stop the whine, you are fine, you can still ride your horse, fuck the community, we are the devs, we know all about this, you know shit, go to hell.

Yup, thanks for replying donkey troll.