Native

[Zhyang]

Anyone knows the build of native infantry? swadian , rhodok  ..? would be very helpfull (:
 

[Vodner]

There's an outdated post here, showing what the stats of the various classes were in 2011.

If you want up-to-date stats, then download the module system. You can open module_troops.py, and scroll down the multiplayer troops section. Make sure you don't look at the multiplayer AI troops section instead - those have different stats.

Be aware that the troops are level ~20, and generally don't have minmaxed stats. Also, some of the troops have stats that aren't normally allowed. For example, in 1.143 Nord infantry has 14 strength and 5 PS (and probably in the most recent version too).

[Ronin]

...and changes in the most recent patch according to this guy: http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,282472.msg6732182.html#msg6732182

The most suitable way is to check it via the most recent module system --> download it, install it (install Notepad++), then go to module_troops, then search for this: "swadian_crossbowman_multiplayer". There, you have the list of their stats. Make sure you are not checking this: "swadian_crossbowman_multiplayer_ai"

[Zhyang]

thanks ,

[Boerenlater]

Care to post em here?

[Zhyang]

no

[Boerenlater]

no

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[Zhyang]

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[Tennenoth]

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["swadian_crossbowman_multiplayer","Swadian Crossbowman","Swadian Crossbowmen",tf_guarantee_all,0,0,fac_kingdom_1,
   [itm_bolts,itm_crossbow,itm_sword_medieval_b_small,itm_tab_shield_heater_a,itm_red_shirt,itm_ankle_boots],
   str_14 | agi_15 |def_attrib_multiplayer|level(19),wpe(90,60,180,90),knows_common_multiplayer|knows_ironflesh_2|knows_athletics_4|knows_shield_5|knows_power_strike_2|knows_riding_1,swadian_face_young_1, swadian_face_old_2],
  ["swadian_infantry_multiplayer","Swadian Infantry","Swadian Infantry",tf_guarantee_all,0,0,fac_kingdom_1,
   [itm_sword_medieval_a,itm_tab_shield_heater_a,itm_red_tunic,itm_ankle_boots],
   str_15 | agi_15 |def_attrib_multiplayer|level(20),wpex(105,130,110,40,60,110),knows_common_multiplayer|knows_ironflesh_5|knows_shield_4|knows_power_strike_4|knows_power_throw_2|knows_athletics_6|knows_riding_1,swadian_face_middle_1, swadian_face_old_2],
  ["swadian_man_at_arms_multiplayer","Swadian Man at Arms","Swadian Men at Arms",tf_mounted|tf_guarantee_all,0,0,fac_kingdom_1,
   [itm_lance,itm_sword_medieval_a,itm_tab_shield_heater_a,
    itm_red_tunic,itm_ankle_boots,itm_saddle_horse],
   str_14 | agi_16 |def_attrib_multiplayer|level(20),wp_melee(110),knows_common_multiplayer|knows_riding_5|knows_ironflesh_3|knows_shield_2|knows_power_throw_2|knows_power_strike_3|knows_athletics_3,swadian_face_young_1, swadian_face_old_2],
#  ["swadian_mounted_crossbowman_multiplayer","Swadian Mounted Crossbowman","Swadian Mounted Crossbowmen",tf_mounted|tf_guarantee_all,0,0,fac_kingdom_1,
#   [itm_bolts,itm_light_crossbow,itm_tab_shield_heater_cav_a,itm_bastard_sword_a,
#    itm_red_shirt,itm_hide_boots,itm_saddle_horse],
#   def_attrib_multiplayer|level(20),wp_melee(100)|wp_crossbow(120),knows_common_multiplayer|knows_riding_4|knows_shield_3|knows_ironflesh_3|knows_horse_archery_2|knows_power_strike_3|knows_athletics_2|knows_shield_2,swadian_face_young_1, swadian_face_old_2],
  ["vaegir_archer_multiplayer","Vaegir Archer","Vaegir Archers",tf_guarantee_all,0,0,fac_kingdom_2,
   [itm_arrows,itm_mace_1,itm_nomad_bow,
    itm_linen_tunic,itm_hide_boots],
   str_14 | agi_14 |def_attrib_multiplayer|str_12|level(19),wpe(80,150,60,80),knows_common_multiplayer|knows_ironflesh_2|knows_power_draw_7|knows_athletics_3|knows_shield_2|knows_riding_1,vaegir_face_young_1, vaegir_face_older_2],
  ["vaegir_spearman_multiplayer","Vaegir Spearman","Vaegir spearman",tf_guarantee_ranged|tf_guarantee_boots|tf_guarantee_armor|tf_guarantee_helmet|tf_guarantee_ranged|tf_guarantee_shield,0,0,fac_kingdom_2,
   [itm_spear, itm_tab_shield_kite_a, itm_mace_1,
    itm_linen_tunic,itm_hide_boots],
   str_15 | agi_15 |def_attrib_multiplayer|str_12|level(19),wpex(110,100,130,30,50,120),knows_common_multiplayer|knows_ironflesh_4|knows_shield_2|knows_power_throw_3|knows_power_strike_4|knows_athletics_6|knows_riding_1,vaegir_face_young_1, vaegir_face_older_2],
  ["vaegir_horseman_multiplayer","Vaegir Horseman","Vaegir Horsemen",tf_mounted|tf_guarantee_all,0,0,fac_kingdom_2,
   [itm_scimitar,itm_lance,itm_tab_shield_kite_cav_a,
    itm_linen_tunic,itm_hide_boots,itm_saddle_horse],
   str_16 | agi_15 |def_attrib_multiplayer|level(19),wpe(110,90,60,110),knows_common_multiplayer|knows_riding_5|knows_ironflesh_4|knows_power_strike_3|knows_shield_3|knows_power_throw_4|knows_horse_archery_1,vaegir_face_young_1, vaegir_face_older_2],
  ["khergit_veteran_horse_archer_multiplayer","Khergit Horse Archer","Khergit Horse Archers",tf_mounted|tf_guarantee_all,0,0,fac_kingdom_3,
   [itm_sword_khergit_1,itm_nomad_bow,itm_arrows,
    itm_khergit_armor,itm_leather_steppe_cap_a,itm_hide_boots,itm_steppe_horse],
   str_15 | agi_18 |def_attrib_multiplayer|level(21),wpe(70,142,60,100),knows_common_multiplayer|knows_riding_2|knows_power_draw_5|knows_horse_archery_3|knows_athletics_3|knows_shield_1,khergit_face_middle_1, khergit_face_older_2],
  ["khergit_infantry_multiplayer","Khergit Infantry","Khergit Infantries",tf_guarantee_all,0,0,fac_kingdom_3,
   [itm_sword_khergit_1,itm_spear,itm_tab_shield_small_round_a,
    itm_steppe_armor,itm_hide_boots,itm_leather_gloves],
   str_14 | agi_15 |def_attrib_multiplayer|level(19),wp(110),knows_common_multiplayer|knows_ironflesh_3|knows_power_throw_3|knows_shield_4|knows_power_strike_3|knows_athletics_6|knows_riding_1,khergit_face_middle_1, khergit_face_older_2],
  ["khergit_lancer_multiplayer","Khergit Lancer","Khergit Lancers",tf_mounted|tf_guarantee_all,0,0,fac_kingdom_3,
   [itm_sword_khergit_1,itm_lance,itm_tab_shield_small_round_a,
    itm_khergit_armor,itm_leather_steppe_cap_a,itm_hide_boots,itm_steppe_horse],
   str_15 | agi_14 |def_attrib_multiplayer|level(21),wp(115),knows_common_multiplayer|knows_riding_6|knows_ironflesh_3|knows_power_throw_3|knows_shield_4|knows_power_strike_3|knows_athletics_4,khergit_face_middle_1, khergit_face_older_2],
  ["nord_archer_multiplayer","Nord Archer","Nord Archers",tf_guarantee_all,0,0,fac_kingdom_4,
   [itm_arrows,itm_sword_viking_2_small,itm_short_bow,
    itm_blue_tunic,itm_leather_boots],
   str_15 | agi_14 |def_attrib_multiplayer|str_11|level(15),wpe(90,150,60,80),knows_common_multiplayer|knows_ironflesh_2|knows_power_strike_2|knows_shield_3|knows_power_draw_5|knows_athletics_3|knows_riding_1,nord_face_young_1, nord_face_old_2],
  ["nord_veteran_multiplayer","Nord Huscarl","Nord Huscarls",tf_guarantee_all,0,0,fac_kingdom_4,
   [itm_sword_viking_1,itm_one_handed_war_axe_a,itm_tab_shield_round_a,
    itm_blue_tunic,itm_leather_boots],
   str_17 | agi_15 |def_attrib_multiplayer|level(24),wpex(110,135,100,40,60,140),knows_common_multiplayer|knows_ironflesh_4|knows_power_strike_5|knows_power_throw_4|knows_athletics_6|knows_shield_3|knows_riding_1,nord_face_young_1, nord_face_older_2],
  ["nord_scout_multiplayer","Nord Scout","Nord Scouts",tf_mounted|tf_guarantee_all,0,0,fac_kingdom_4,
   [itm_javelin,itm_sword_viking_1,itm_spear,itm_tab_shield_small_round_a,
    itm_blue_tunic,itm_leather_boots,itm_saddle_horse],
   str_16 | agi_15 |def_attrib_multiplayer|level(19),wp(105),knows_common_multiplayer|knows_riding_6|knows_ironflesh_2|knows_power_strike_2|knows_shield_1|knows_horse_archery_3|knows_power_throw_3|knows_athletics_3,vaegir_face_young_1, vaegir_face_older_2],
  ["rhodok_veteran_crossbowman_multiplayer","Rhodok Crossbowman","Rhodok Crossbowmen",tf_guarantee_all,0,0,fac_kingdom_5,
   [itm_crossbow,itm_bolts,itm_fighting_pick,itm_tab_shield_pavise_a,
    itm_tunic_with_green_cape,itm_ankle_boots],
   str_16 | agi_15 |def_attrib_multiplayer|level(20),wpe(100,60,180,90),knows_common_multiplayer|knows_ironflesh_2|knows_shield_2|knows_power_strike_2|knows_athletics_4|knows_riding_1,rhodok_face_middle_1, rhodok_face_older_2],
  ["rhodok_sergeant_multiplayer","Rhodok Sergeant","Rhodok Sergeants",tf_guarantee_all,0,0,fac_kingdom_5,
   [itm_fighting_pick,itm_tab_shield_pavise_a,itm_spear,
    itm_green_tunic,itm_ankle_boots],
   str_16 | agi_14 |def_attrib_multiplayer|level(20),wpex(110,100,140,30,50,110),knows_common_multiplayer|knows_ironflesh_4|knows_shield_5|knows_power_strike_4|knows_power_throw_1|knows_athletics_6|knows_riding_1,rhodok_face_middle_1, rhodok_face_older_2],
  ["rhodok_horseman_multiplayer","Rhodok Horseman","Rhodok Horsemen",tf_guarantee_all,0,0,fac_kingdom_5,
   [itm_sword_medieval_a,itm_tab_shield_heater_cav_a, itm_light_lance,
    itm_green_tunic,itm_ankle_boots,itm_saddle_horse],
   str_15 | agi_15 |def_attrib_multiplayer|level(20),wp(100),knows_common_multiplayer|knows_riding_4|knows_ironflesh_3|knows_shield_3|knows_power_strike_3|knows_power_throw_1|knows_athletics_3,rhodok_face_middle_1, rhodok_face_older_2],
  ["sarranid_archer_multiplayer","Sarranid Archer","Sarranid Archers",tf_guarantee_all,0,0,fac_kingdom_6,
   [itm_arrows,itm_arabian_sword_a,itm_nomad_bow,
    itm_sarranid_cloth_robe, itm_sarranid_boots_b],
   str_15 | agi_16 |def_attrib_multiplayer|str_12|level(19),wpe(80,150,60,80),knows_common_multiplayer|knows_ironflesh_4|knows_power_draw_5|knows_athletics_3|knows_shield_2|knows_riding_1|knows_weapon_master_1,vaegir_face_young_1, vaegir_face_older_2],
  ["sarranid_footman_multiplayer","Sarranid Footman","Sarranid footman",tf_guarantee_all,0,0,fac_kingdom_6,
   [itm_bamboo_spear, itm_tab_shield_kite_a, itm_arabian_sword_a,
    itm_sarranid_cloth_robe, itm_sarranid_boots_b],
   str_14 | agi_15 |def_attrib_multiplayer|str_12|level(19),wpex(110,100,130,30,50,120),knows_common_multiplayer|knows_ironflesh_4|knows_shield_2|knows_power_throw_3|knows_power_strike_4|knows_athletics_6|knows_riding_1,vaegir_face_young_1, vaegir_face_older_2],
  ["sarranid_mamluke_multiplayer","Sarranid Mamluke","Sarranid Mamluke",tf_mounted|tf_guarantee_all,0,0,fac_kingdom_6,
   [itm_arabian_sword_a,itm_lance,itm_tab_shield_small_round_a,
    itm_sarranid_cloth_robe, itm_sarranid_boots_b,itm_saddle_horse],
   str_15 | agi_14 |def_attrib_multiplayer|level(19),wpe(110,90,60,110),knows_common_multiplayer|knows_riding_5|knows_ironflesh_3|knows_power_strike_2|knows_shield_3|knows_power_throw_2|knows_weapon_master_1,vaegir_face_young_1, vaegir_face_older_2],

So;

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Should be correct

[Vodner]

Reading the WPF:
* The single-parameter version sets all proficiencies to the same value.
* The four parameter version sets all three melee proficiencies to the first value. Archery, crossbow, and throwing are set to the remaining three values, respectively.
* The six parameter version sets one-handed, two-handed, polearm, archery, crossbow, and throwing proficiencies, respectively.

This is assuming the wp/wpe/wpex functions haven't changed since 1.143.

e:
Source:

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def wp(x):
  n = 0
  r = 10 + int(x / 10)
#  n |= wp_one_handed(x + random.randrange(r))
#  n |= wp_two_handed(x + random.randrange(r))
#  n |= wp_polearm(x + random.randrange(r))
#  n |= wp_archery(x + random.randrange(r))
#  n |= wp_crossbow(x + random.randrange(r))
#  n |= wp_throwing(x + random.randrange(r))
  n |= wp_one_handed(x)
  n |= wp_two_handed(x)
  n |= wp_polearm(x)
  n |= wp_archery(x)
  n |= wp_crossbow(x)
  n |= wp_throwing(x)
  return n

def wpe(m,a,c,t):
   n = 0
   n |= wp_one_handed(m)
   n |= wp_two_handed(m)
   n |= wp_polearm(m)
   n |= wp_archery(a)
   n |= wp_crossbow(c)
   n |= wp_throwing(t)
   return n

def wpex(o,w,p,a,c,t):
   n = 0
   n |= wp_one_handed(o)
   n |= wp_two_handed(w)
   n |= wp_polearm(p)
   n |= wp_archery(a)
   n |= wp_crossbow(c)
   n |= wp_throwing(t)
   return n
   
def wp_melee(x):
  n = 0
  r = 10 + int(x / 10)
#  n |= wp_one_handed(x + random.randrange(r))
#  n |= wp_two_handed(x + random.randrange(r))
#  n |= wp_polearm(x + random.randrange(r))
  n |= wp_one_handed(x + 20)
  n |= wp_two_handed(x)
  n |= wp_polearm(x + 10)
  return n

Interestingly enough, it looks like TW originally intended for WPF to be slightly randomized (note the commented-out sections).

[Ronin]

khergit lancer with 1 riding? There must be something wrong Tennenoth.

[Tennenoth]

khergit lancer with 1 riding? There must be something wrong Tennenoth.

Noooo, of course not.

knows_riding_6 has nothing to do with it 

The problem I had is that it isn't in any cohesive sequence so I tried to split it as best I could with a quick and dirty program, naturally I made a mistake somewhere. I've double checked the lot & I can't find any problems, post again if you find another.
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[Ronin]

Khergit horse archer with 0 powerdraw and 4 power throw.
Khergit infantry with 5 powerdraw and 0 power throw.
Something is wrong there

[Tennenoth]

Khergit horse archer with 0 powerdraw and 4 power throw.
Khergit infantry with 5 powerdraw and 0 power throw.
Something is wrong there

I guess my program some how gained my passive dislike for that particular Faction.

(Also, those one thousand and one eyes seem to be helping quite a lot)

[MrDeucer]

Not a lot of power strike in Native, that could be good or bad compared to cRPG.