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Re: To our fellow muricans
« Reply #240 on: September 05, 2013, 11:07:01 pm »
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about the gun issue:
if I had a gun in my hand, I would be a much higher threat to an attacker, therefore more likely to be shot at. in Germany we don't need to fear guns (!), the worst things that could happen can be dealt with by some self-defense skills, that are easy to learn. or you can just use pepper spray. the unlikelyhood of people having a gun is making the whole country more relaxed, you could say. no fucking fear of guns.

also, by tendency, a people that is constantly subjected to violent media, often corrupted or unreliable institutions (police, education, healthcare), and psychosocial stress (read above) on a personal level, will create a lot of violent crimes regardless. access to guns in this environment will, by tendency, result in more lethal outcomes. by that I don't say guns should always be abolished, but statistically speaking, in a society like the US, it's simply naive to think you're more safe when everybody has a gun.

I'd rather talk to my neighbors and avoid being a woman ... :X
on a more serious note: a female acquaintance of mine was violently kidnapped and raped after her late shift by a shy man in the same house, while her boyfriend was asleep -- a gun wouldn't have helped her. she is now doing self-defense and sword fighting so she can always protect her body at least.

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Re: To our fellow muricans
« Reply #241 on: September 06, 2013, 12:36:28 am »
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Re: To our fellow muricans
« Reply #242 on: September 06, 2013, 01:24:10 am »
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Its not about not having faith. Its common sense. Why would you premit your citizens things which generally only purpose is to kill another man. Why not just go ahead and legalize meth. Same logic isnt it. There is nothing wrong with snorting a lot of crack up your nose as long as you are careful with it isnt it? What ifs is not proper form of argumentation.


It's like this... you got to a neighborhood or city in the U.S. with a large amount of gun related crimes, and you will find a surplus of illegal, unregistered firearms. Banning legal, registered and background checked firearms won't cut down the number of people who get shot in the U.S. annually. Because the large majority of all shooting deaths are by illegal, unregistered firearms or by the police. If you go out and shoot someone in cold blood with a firearm registered under your name and legally owned, you will be behind bars within a year 99% of the time, unless you leave the country before they finish forensics.

Generally speaking, if your talking about a home invasion, the only way to effectively protect yourself from someone with a firearm (or even with a knife/other melee weapons) is with a firearm. It's not the same logic as legalizing meth, because you can't fight a meth epidemic with more meth. Unless maybe if that meth is poisoned and just kills tweekers by the dozens. (I guess that would work, but you didn't specify that it was poisonmeth! (P.S. Meth and crack are two different drugs.))

Banning registered/legal firearms would be a terrible idea in the U.S.
Just look at mexico, they have one of the worlds biggest gun problems, and they have banned legal civilian ownership of firearms. (with a few exceptions.)
They still have more gun deaths than practically any other country per capita. Because, like the U.S., the number of unregistered/illegal firearms is extraordinarily high, and banning legal/registered firearms does nothing to put a dent on this.
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Re: To our fellow muricans
« Reply #243 on: September 06, 2013, 01:26:38 am »
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Why do you think people in other countries are not afraid of home invasions and don't want guns to protect themselves during one?
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Re: To our fellow muricans
« Reply #244 on: September 06, 2013, 01:42:27 am »
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history student
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Why do you think people in other countries are not afraid of home invasions and don't want guns to protect themselves during one?

Because people don't think about unpleasant things. Also, the populace owning firearms in the US is the best way for the citizenry to protect themselves from tyrants. In most countries, the government owns almost all of the firearms.
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Re: To our fellow muricans
« Reply #245 on: September 06, 2013, 02:20:07 am »
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... Who would want to study history in the age of Wikipedia and the internet?

Because people don't think about unpleasant things. Also, the populace owning firearms in the US is the best way for the citizenry to protect themselves from tyrants. In most countries, the government owns almost all of the firearms.

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Re: To our fellow muricans
« Reply #246 on: September 06, 2013, 02:29:56 am »
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I grew up in Malaysia. Even for criminals, firearms were hard to get, and even then, most criminals were in gangs that had a weird face/honor thing going where they preferred to chop people up with big knives, or shank someone with a broken bottle.

Things are changing there, though. They've started using firearms on each other. I have to wonder how soon it is before they start using firearms on their victims.

Still, Kajia is right. There's a general fear here that anyone could pull a pistol out and shoot you in the face. However, because of the number of firearms in the country, making it illegal is pointless, unless you've got the kind of control over your populace that only city-states have.

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Re: To our fellow muricans
« Reply #247 on: September 06, 2013, 02:32:24 am »
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Xant is such a tough and manly finn <3

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Re: To our fellow muricans
« Reply #248 on: September 06, 2013, 05:16:48 am »
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Huh I don't know, about every single one of the last revolutions in (mostly western) Europe lead to what we have now ? The French Revolution was arguably the most horrible civil war ever, yet it started a chain of events on the old continent that lead to more democratic powers.

The French Revolution was the most horrible civil war ever? Bath salts are bad for you.

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Re: To our fellow muricans
« Reply #249 on: September 06, 2013, 05:28:43 am »
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The French Revolution was the most horrible civil war ever? Bath salts are bad for you.

In context, it actually was. It sparked off a decades long internal struggle followed by some 6-10 years of war in Continental Europe.
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Re: To our fellow muricans
« Reply #250 on: September 06, 2013, 05:45:57 am »
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Such a decent looking English lad, almost as if you're of royal blood, with that honest haircut and dressed "properly" and yet - such a foul language........

Yes well there is a reason foul language exists, it is to speak to morons in words that they will understand.  People who are ignorant will only ever understand if you speak with them in an ignorant way. It is not good but I'm sure that you know that sometimes it must be done. If you can teach me a better way to deal with such people then please do, but for now i will simply say to them 'fuck you'.


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Re: To our fellow muricans
« Reply #251 on: September 06, 2013, 08:07:21 am »
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If you can teach me a better way to deal with such people then please do


Sounds like a challenge, I wonder who might be up for it.  :wink:
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Re: To our fellow muricans
« Reply #252 on: September 06, 2013, 08:18:21 am »
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Yes well there is a reason foul language exists, it is to speak to morons in words that they will understand.  People who are ignorant will only ever understand if you speak with them in an ignorant way. It is not good but I'm sure that you know that sometimes it must be done. If you can teach me a better way to deal with such people then please do, but for now i will simply say to them 'fuck you'.


For now what you have said is worth of my signature.
Do it like Gnjus which is probably more funny anway. Mock them in a way they don't understand.
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Re: To our fellow muricans
« Reply #253 on: September 06, 2013, 03:08:01 pm »
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