To our fellow muricans

[Rumblood]

It has too many sentences that don't start with the word McDonalds for Americans.

Pretty typical, you people are always 30 years behind what's trending in America.

[Kajia]

He pretty much sums it up, i have it marked at which point he starts talking about Syria and Russia.
http://youtu.be/HuNbfmegu0Y?t=8m14s

yeah, I guess I can agree on the general thought.
while I'm amused how spot on Putin is, I'm very much aware he is not the hero one might think. still, I can't make him responsible for the issues the Russian society has with gays, that's out of his control really.

this recent Unfilter show named "Russia to the rescue":

it's mentioned that Syrian gas may be the thing that holds back Israel, and could be a trump card they will pretty much lose now. or maybe this was planned all along from the west+israel. I dunno, but it seems likely.

also, note that Germans are in the middle of the voting period now, and the parties cannot actually talk openly about invasion without losing voters. I reckon things would have went down differently if Germany were a player. or maybe that's why it didn't go down yet, with the U.S. taking so much time even though Obama said asap?
questions, questions.

Stop derailing this topic out of the solar system, please?

our little social experiment certainly went out of hand, especially notable because it was public. I apologize for my part in it.

[[ptx]]

yeah, I guess I can agree on the general thought.
while I'm amused how spot on Putin is, I'm very much aware he is not the hero one might think. still, I can't make him responsible for the issues the Russian society has with gays, that's out of his control really.

Very few things in Russia are out of his control, public opinion and the direction their society is taking is not one of them.

[CrazyCracka420]

It has too many sentences that don't start with the word McDonalds for Americans.

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[Kajia]

Very few things in Russia are out of his control, public opinion and the direction their society is taking is not one of them.

well, he could try and speak for them. but from all I've heard being gay is much more of an issue in Russia than in other places, because of certain aspects of the culture of which we westerners are not aware of. for instance gay implies taking it up the butt, and taking it up the butt implies weakness - therefore somehow even association with gay people undermines the strong men role of the Russian father figure. and as the Russians are pretty traditional in their family structures, I can easily imagine how this would be a huge beehive where even big bear Putin will not slide his dick in.
I read this in an explanation from a Russian on reddit, sadly I can't find the source anymore, and I apologize.

I still think he's more respectable than most other leaders I know of. I mean Jesus, he just declared the U.S. not exceptional, quoting their president, as in handed them their own ass, in their own frickin newspaper. I wonder who wrote that for him though. heh.

[Xant]

I mean Jesus, he just declared the U.S. not exceptional, quoting their president

How is this respectable or impressive? Obviously Russia would say US is not exceptional...

[Kajia]

How is this respectable or impressive? Obviously Russia would say US is not exceptional...

"Russia" doesn't say anything, Putin did. You're getting entangled in generalisations (again). and it is not obvious to me, I don't know of many leaders who'd dare to say it straight to the American people. he said it by pointing out how people all around this world are to be treated equally, which is more constructive than warmongering, and therefore respectable in my book. you don't have to agree.

[[ptx]]

The problem is, he is being a typical Kremlin hypocrite. Research how immigrants are treated in Russia (by the government, no need to even mention the violent neo-chocolate chip cookie groups harrassing them) or what his foreign policy is like to countries bordering Russia and others.

It is rather typical of Kremlin to point out faults in others, whilst bluntly ignoring the fact that they are far worse at most of them.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

hm, now that I think about it, I'd say Zlisch is a better troll AND is better at arguing at the same time.

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Also merely out of curiosity, what argument are we talking about?`


Also, Putin is fully fucking right in that we shouldn't consider ourselves exceptional, special, mangod, international cops, the closest thing to an international cop you can succesfully be is an assassin, kidnapper, nationalist pig going on pointless warmongering for the sake of establishing his ideas in other societies as the one true truth.

[Kafein]

The problem is, he is being a typical Kremlin hypocrite. Research how immigrants are treated in Russia (by the government, no need to even mention the violent neo-chocolate chip cookie groups harrassing them) or what his foreign policy is like to countries bordering Russia and others.

It is rather typical of Kremlin to point out faults in others, whilst bluntly ignoring the fact that they are far worse at most of them.

Well exactly, but sadly it takes an hypocrite leading one of the biggest nations in the world to say to the US what everybody else thinks. In fact few people with power and a significant audience are not hypocrits to some degree.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Well exactly, but sadly it takes an hypocrite leading one of the biggest nations in the world to say to the US what everybody else thinks. In fact few all people with power and a significant audience are not hypocrits to some degree.

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[Xant]

"Russia" doesn't say anything, Putin did. You're getting entangled in generalisations (again). and it is not obvious to me, I don't know of many leaders who'd dare to say it straight to the American people. he said it by pointing out how people all around this world are to be treated equally, which is more constructive than warmongering, and therefore respectable in my book. you don't have to agree.

Putin represents Russia, so Russia did say something. Haha, why wouldn't Putin dare to say it? It's obvious to anyone with half a brain why he'd say it.

[Kafein]

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Some people have more skeletons in the closet than others.

[Xant]

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The Sophisticate:  "The world isn't black and white.  No one does pure good or pure bad. It's all gray.  Therefore, no one is better than anyone else."
    The Zetet:  "Knowing only gray, you conclude that all grays are the same shade.  You mock the simplicity of the two-color view, yet you replace it with a one-color view..."
      —Marc Stiegler, David's Sling

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

I never claimed there aren't different "levels" of hypocracy in different people, I merely somewhatishly stated that Kafeins statement wasn't really stating much as everyone are hypocrites to some degree, Kafein even included "to some degree" in his initial statement which makes it even sillier.
Also, until someone I trust to actually know it tells me what life's "main objective" is I'm not gonna go ahead and label someone evil and someone good for reasons that may or may not mean anything, and besides that, I believe the vast majority of people will generally convince themselves that what they're doing (even if it's purely for their personal gain) is either fair, for a greater good, or pleasing the great almighty creator, therefore pretty much everyone including various terrorist groups and einstein would be attempting to do good, and if good and bad isn't about attempting to be good/evil but is about the end result being good/bad according to common modern morality we'd be calling a bunch of very wellintentioned people, who today are considered great and good, horrible evil pieces of shit.