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Re: To our fellow muricans
« Reply #420 on: September 15, 2013, 09:00:44 pm »
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Wait, a LessWrong article being quoted here ? My respect for whoever did this just increased

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Re: To our fellow muricans
« Reply #422 on: September 16, 2013, 12:33:39 am »
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Ho my now I feel silly

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Re: To our fellow muricans
« Reply #423 on: September 16, 2013, 01:24:40 am »
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I wish I could tell you to ignore it, it'll pass... but, well...
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« Reply #424 on: September 16, 2013, 09:34:35 am »
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I wish I could tell you to ignore it, it'll pass... but, well...

You could tell me to ignore it, but who are we to wish things that can actually happen

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Re: To our fellow muricans
« Reply #425 on: September 16, 2013, 02:13:30 pm »
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winning and losing? man, even if winning or losing were of any relevancy, your much-quoted source says: "They [arguments] are no longer instruments of the truth", as soon as you argue to defeat an opponent. but you can rest assured, it is not, relevant that is.
That is what that LessWrong article says, yes. As always, you quote something that has no relevance to the argument you're trying to make. Of course arguments are no longer the instruments of truth when you argue to defeat an opponent. Common sense. And the relevance of this was....
my point was that winning or losing (aka. defeating an opponent) are not relevant for having a good debate. YOU show ME how exactly the quoting of lesswrong was irrelvant.
again, you're making statements and leave the other person to think it's an argument, while it's NOT. and you STILL cling to being the "winner" (see below).
my quoting of this source is as relevant as it can get.

a debate is to look at problems that occur to find solutions, questioning and re-evaluating worldviews, while respecting each other (avoiding ad hominem). the initial disagreement was interesting to me, but you ruined it by nitpicking and using to your two-valued logic, where no one can beat you as it's mathematically impossible: you say A and you repeat it until your opponent loses any motivation to point out how B, C and D are also valuable thoughts. then you declare yourself the winner or the opponent a loser. * that is b.s., bad science.
You will find that you started the ad hominem attacks, not I ("he's wrong because he's a troll"). There have been no ad hominems from me (try to prove me wrong, find an ad hominem). You nitpicked, not me. You used two-valued logic, not me. See how that works when you don't provide any evidence? ** It just turns into "no u." But then again, every time I ask you to answer something you ignore it, so no surprise there. I declare myself the winner when you quit the argument by declaring me a troll (defense mechanism) after I ask you questions that we both know you can't answer, because you made your accusations up.
again, you avoid the actual point by taking some word out of context (=nitpick). the word is ad hominem, and I did NOT accuse you of using it. you made that up.
* my actual point, which you avoided entirely.
** you speak of evidence, and where is yours?

you're full of shit, and of course I am pulling out of this pointless endeavour. you probably laugh your ass off at how easy you can pull this conversation out of the important issues. congratz bro, you win the pile-of-rubble-price of successfully hijacking a conversation on syria. your loved ones would be so proud of you.

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Re: To our fellow muricans
« Reply #426 on: September 16, 2013, 02:20:43 pm »
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Re: To our fellow muricans
« Reply #427 on: September 16, 2013, 02:58:21 pm »
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The New York Times: A Plea for Caution From Russia -
What Putin Has to Say to Americans About Syria

I found that pretty interesting. any thoughts?


He pretty much sums it up, i have it marked at which point he starts talking about Syria and Russia. 

http://youtu.be/HuNbfmegu0Y?t=8m14s

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Re: To our fellow muricans
« Reply #428 on: September 16, 2013, 03:08:26 pm »
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my point was that winning or losing (aka. defeating an opponent) are not relevant for having a good debate. YOU show ME how exactly the quoting of lesswrong was irrelvant.
Yes, I didn't think you'd be able to see the difference yourself.
"They [arguments] are no longer instruments of the truth", as soon as you argue to defeat an opponent" has no relevance because I never said I was arguing to defeat an opponent. It just happens that the truth is on my side, hence you lose. The difference is the same as the difference between rationality and rationalization. Former good, latter bad

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again, you avoid the actual point by taking some word out of context (=nitpick). the word is ad hominem, and I did NOT accuse you of using it. you made that up.
* my actual point, which you avoided entirely.
** you speak of evidence, and where is yours?
No, I'm not avoiding any actual points. You're simply claiming something that isn't true. The burden of proof is on you to prove that I "say A and you repeat it until your opponent loses any motivation to point out how B, C and D are also valuable thought." Otherwise there is simply nothing I can say to that except "no, I don't." Which is pointless, hence I ignored it. I don't even know where I'm supposedly doing this unless you point it out.

My evidence for what? I haven't claimed you're nitpicking or using two-valued logic...

And alright, you didn't say I used ad hominem, but generally when people talk about things they don't bring up completely irrelevant matters, so I assumed your "avoiding ad hominem" was criticism at my arguing.

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you're full of shit, and of course I am pulling out of this pointless endeavour. you probably laugh your ass off at how easy you can pull this conversation out of the important issues. congratz bro, you win the pile-of-rubble-price of successfully hijacking a conversation on syria. your loved ones would be so proud of you.
Of course you're pulling out, because I call you on your bullshit. Not easy to debate when bullshit is all your argument's based on and your mean opponent just keeps calling you on it, eh?

As for my loved ones being proud, this wasn't a particularly difficult debate to win, so I doubt it.
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Re: To our fellow muricans
« Reply #429 on: September 16, 2013, 04:10:49 pm »
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Stop derailing this topic out of the solar system, please?

If you guys want to talk about your argumentational yadda-yadda, make a topic about it.
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Re: To our fellow muricans
« Reply #430 on: September 16, 2013, 04:19:55 pm »
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I was truly correct in giving this topic the cesspit of the year award
1H stab is the fastest, strongest and longest 1H animation. There's no reason NOT to use it in all instances. I don't know if it's OP, but it's boring. 1H used to be fun because you had a fast (left), long (right) and the most devastating attack (stab) and had to choose the best attack for each occasion.

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Re: To our fellow muricans
« Reply #431 on: September 16, 2013, 06:12:17 pm »
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Re: To our fellow muricans
« Reply #432 on: September 16, 2013, 07:36:49 pm »
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Stop derailing this topic out of the solar system, please?

If you guys want to talk about your argumentational yadda-yadda, make a topic about it.
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Re: To our fellow muricans
« Reply #433 on: September 16, 2013, 07:40:41 pm »
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Funny how this topic is 90% Euros now
1H stab is the fastest, strongest and longest 1H animation. There's no reason NOT to use it in all instances. I don't know if it's OP, but it's boring. 1H used to be fun because you had a fast (left), long (right) and the most devastating attack (stab) and had to choose the best attack for each occasion.

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Re: To our fellow muricans
« Reply #434 on: September 16, 2013, 08:25:41 pm »
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Funny how this topic is 90% Euros now

It has too many sentences that don't start with the word McDonalds for Americans.
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