Need help for a new PC

[Senni__Ti]

Not bad, but a cheap motherboard and I'm not sure on the reliability of the PSU.

Also the PSU seems to draw quite a lot of power. Does this not ship to Belgium? (10 EURO more, not sure about shipping, MUCH MUCH more reliable and more efficient)
http://www.caseking.de/shop/catalog/Netzteile/Corsair/Corsair-Enthusiast-Series-650TX-V2-Netzteil-650-Watt::16420.html

It would be worth checking the warranties of the expensive components e.g.
http://www.gainward.com/main/support_detail.php?id=3

For example, if your PSU blew fried the GPU, they won't replace it. (which is why the PSU is so important)

Couple of motherboard points:
- It is a MICRO ATX board, which means it is smaller, everything will probably be more cramped. (EDIT: looked at your case, fair enough )
- only 2 SATA III connectors (it does have other SATA II connectors)
- only 2 USB 3.0 connectors (plenty of USB 2.0)
- no PCIe 3.0 slot (your graphics card can use up to PCIe 3.0, which is faster than PCIe 2.0)
- only 1 PCIe 2.0 x16 slot (x16 is essentially how many connectors, x16 is best, but you only have one of these slots, so you won't be able to have 2 x GPUs)
- only 2 RAM slots!!!!

Currently you are getting 2 x 4gb RAM sticks. Which means you'll have to replace them, if you want to upgrade your RAM. Which is a point to keep in mind.
The PCIe 3.0 point applies to ALL AMD AM3+ based motherboards, none of them have it. (afaik, looked at quite a few)
And it seems intel is out of your price range, so I wouldn't worry about it too much. (PCIe 2.0 isn't much worse, shouldn't notice it)

Case wise, it doesn't seem to have much ventilation + it is a micro-ATX case -> small and cramped anyway. And looking at the cooling fan on the GPU, I don't think that will be the best either. So expect it to get HOT.

It looks like you'll need to buy a couple of 120mm fans (they don't cost much), but my french is terrible so I could be wrong .
And you'll probably need to get a CPU cooler, as stock coolers are never good. (And I'm pretty sure your CPU will run hot). But with your case being so small, you can't have a huge CPU cooler anyway, as they stick out to the side quite a bit.
http://www.ldlc.be/fiche/PB00137222.html
^ Should fit, again, my french sucks .

All in all, a reasonable budget PC (though not much room for upgrading, replacements are possible, but the only addition possible that I can think of would be a SSD), though I would check those warranties! (don't want it exploding in your face :O and not being able to send it back)

And just checking:
- no CD/DVD drive?
- You already have a monitor?
- keyboard + mouse?

EDIT:

Another question i got, is it possible to install Win7 without a CD? meaning i can use a  USB or external drive to do it?

http://pcsupport.about.com/od/windows7/a/install-windows-7-usb.htm
English sorry :p

[Vermilion]

Processor: http://www.ldlc.be/fiche/PB00120938.html
Graphic card: http://www.ldlc.be/fiche/PB00149699.html
Motherboard: http://www.ldlc.be/fiche/PB00128788.html
RAM: http://www.ldlc.be/fiche/PB00100992.html
I would go for 1600mhz not 1333mhz, it's slightly quicker and better for OC (if you ever plan on it)
Hard drive: http://www.ldlc.be/fiche/PB00129110.html
Again - I wouldn't use a WD GREEN as my primary drive, go for black (or blue at the least)
Power supply : http://www.ldlc.be/fiche/PB00146780.html
Again - I would go for a higher quality PSU.. This is more based at office computers than gaming. From the manufacturers page "ideal for users to build a home or office system ". I would go for http://www.ldlc.be/fiche/PB00134228.html
Case: http://www.ldlc.be/fiche/PB00135732.html (not the same case as Rumblood gave me, i didnt find the brand on the website, and i thought i should just get the cheapest atm.)

Total of  661,40 EUR. Around 700EUR with delivery. It really maxed out my original budget, but i can scramble around some cash and they also give  a 3 time payment option which is great.

[Senni__Ti]

Ah forgot about the RAM frequency
Agree with the above, 1600Mhz is definitely worth it (9-9-9-24 is pretty solid cycle wise)

PSU wise, I think:

http://www.ldlc.be/fiche/PB00134228.html

Would be nice, but out of his budget range. (but I agree, the current one doesn't seem great)

The HDD point is also good, but again budget restrictions :p.

[Vermilion]

Ah forgot about the RAM frequency
Agree with the above, 1600Mhz is definitely worth it (9-9-9-24 is pretty solid cycle wise)

PSU wise, I think:Would be nice, but out of his budget range. (but I agree, the current one doesn't seem great)

The HDD point is also good, but again budget restrictions :p.

The price difference between WD green and WD blue is nothing, yet the performance is a lot better (especially as he will be loading windows from it, wouldn't be an issue if he could afford a SSD or was planing to get one as soon as he could afford it)

Yeah i know that PSU is twice the price of the one he showed... but that site doesn't have a great selection.. The one you linked would be better if he can get them to deliver.

Also Jackie, did you realise that case only has USB 2.0 If you're a regular user of external hard drives it will be a real pain (trying to hook them up to the rear 3.0 ports)

[JackieChan]

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Not bad, but a cheap motherboard and I'm not sure on the reliability of the PSU.

Also the PSU seems to draw quite a lot of power. Does this not ship to Belgium? (10 EURO more, not sure about shipping, MUCH MUCH more reliable and more efficient)
http://www.caseking.de/shop/catalog/Netzteile/Corsair/Corsair-Enthusiast-Series-650TX-V2-Netzteil-650-Watt::16420.html

It would be worth checking the warranties of the expensive components e.g.
http://www.gainward.com/main/support_detail.php?id=3

For example, if your PSU blew fried the GPU, they won't replace it. (which is why the PSU is so important)

Couple of motherboard points:
- It is a MICRO ATX board, which means it is smaller, everything will probably be more cramped. (EDIT: looked at your case, fair enough )
- only 2 SATA III connectors (it does have other SATA II connectors)
- only 2 USB 3.0 connectors (plenty of USB 2.0)
- no PCIe 3.0 slot (your graphics card can use up to PCIe 3.0, which is faster than PCIe 2.0)
- only 1 PCIe 2.0 x16 slot (x16 is essentially how many connectors, x16 is best, but you only have one of these slots, so you won't be able to have 2 x GPUs)
- only 2 RAM slots!!!!

Currently you are getting 2 x 4gb RAM sticks. Which means you'll have to replace them, if you want to upgrade your RAM. Which is a point to keep in mind.
The PCIe 3.0 point applies to ALL AMD AM3+ based motherboards, none of them have it. (afaik, looked at quite a few)
And it seems intel is out of your price range, so I wouldn't worry about it too much. (PCIe 2.0 isn't much worse, shouldn't notice it)

Case wise, it doesn't seem to have much ventilation + it is a micro-ATX case -> small and cramped anyway. And looking at the cooling fan on the GPU, I don't think that will be the best either. So expect it to get HOT.

It looks like you'll need to buy a couple of 120mm fans (they don't cost much), but my french is terrible so I could be wrong .
And you'll probably need to get a CPU cooler, as stock coolers are never good. (And I'm pretty sure your CPU will run hot). But with your case being so small, you can't have a huge CPU cooler anyway, as they stick out to the side quite a bit.
http://www.ldlc.be/fiche/PB00137222.html
^ Should fit, again, my french sucks .

All in all, a reasonable budget PC (though not much room for upgrading, replacements are possible, but the only addition possible that I can think of would be a SSD), though I would check those warranties! (don't want it exploding in your face :O and not being able to send it back)

And just checking:
- no CD/DVD drive?
- You already have a monitor?
- keyboard + mouse?

EDIT:http://pcsupport.about.com/od/windows7/a/install-windows-7-usb.htm
English sorry :p

http://www.caseking.de/shop/catalog/Netzteile/Corsair/Corsair-Enthusiast-Series-650TX-V2-Netzteil-650-Watt::16420.html
Your going to have to check it for me, i dont speak dutch :x

As for the case and fan, Ill see how that one goes and if im getting to hight temp ill either get new fans (as you suggested) or get myself a bigger case( that will be for the long run)

As for the warranties ill read the whole stuff tomorow but  from what i read there shouldnt be any problems.

As for the cd/dvd drive, i got a 10 year old computer rusting in the attic, im probably going to take it from it
For the monitor i was planning to use my old one for a while and eventually buy a new one
Same goes for the keyboard and mouse =)

Thanks for the link for Win7
I dont mind having it in English, i actually prefer it

Most of the thing u suggested makes me add more cash, unfortunatly i cant atm

As for the Hard drive, there wasent any black one with 1To on the website. But whats the difference between the blue and green one? (edit: i just read ur other post)

As for the RAM, ill change it for the 1600 one, but whats the difference between the 2 actually?

Also Jackie, did you realise that case only has USB 2.0 If you're a regular user of external hard drives it will be a real pain (trying to hook them up to the rear 3.0 ports)

For the moment the USB port isnt a big concern for me. I wont be tranfering much data from my external drive to the computer. 

[Vermilion]

As for the RAM, ill change it for the 1600 one, but whats the difference between the 2 actually?
For the moment the USB port isnt a big concern for me. I wont be tranfering much data from my external drive to the computer. 

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Understanding-RAM-Timings/26

The higher the MHz the faster the RAM (with limitations from CPU/Motherboard/BIOS etc and other factors timing/voltage etc)

[zagibu]

If I had to buy at LDLC with your budget, I'd buy something like this: http://www.ldlc.be/b-b79fcb7c006b5ee1.html I made sure everything is in stock, because it sucks if you have to wait half a month on one component.

Some notes on my suggestions compared to above:
- better processor (cheaper, cooler, faster for what you will be doing)
- 4 RAM slot motherboard if you want to upgrade to 16GB later
- I agree that the Geforce 760 is the best GPU for your budget
- PSU, hard disk and case don't matter that much, you can easily switch them with other suggestions (I just picked cheapest that should still work fine with the rest of the components)
- I didn't add a disk drive, because I never use mine anyway

[Molly]

I'd like to add a note to the WD Green HDD.

I own one and it's actually the 1 TB HDD and the only one in my system. I can't complain performance wise. Seems okay for me.

...but I had issues with it right from the start. There was no data loss or anything but sometimes my board struggles to recognize it. Then I have to turn off the system completely at the PSU, wait a moment, switch it back on and it works again. Doesn't happen often and wasn't able to reproduce it. And by now, I don't even mind anymore. And it might even be a problem with the connection or the mainboard itself.

Just felt to mention it. It's really a warning to not get it. Just my 2 cents of experience with this one HDD that runs in my system.

[Kafein]

RAM quality is becoming less and less of a concern as time goes, just go for the cheapest high capacity sticks.

[Sniger]

yes you can use external source for installing windows.

once you installed the system as well as all the software you want and you think its running perfectly, i highly recommend that you go do this:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/what-is-a-system-image

the feat is build into windows and it works fine.

[Christo]

Yeah yeah, make sure to get a decent PSU!

Not a noname piece of crap.

[Molly]

Yeah yeah, make sure to get a decent PSU!

Not a noname piece of crap.

Have to agree with this. Not talking about the power output but about the quality. Spending 20€ more is going to pay off in the long run but that's easier said than done when calculating on a tight budget.

[Senni__Ti]

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http://www.caseking.de/shop/catalog/Netzteile/Corsair/Corsair-Enthusiast-Series-650TX-V2-Netzteil-650-Watt::16420.html
Your going to have to check it for me, i dont speak dutch :x

As for the cd/dvd drive, i got a 10 year old computer rusting in the attic, im probably going to take it from it
For the monitor i was planning to use my old one for a while and eventually buy a new one

As for the Hard drive, there wasent any black one with 1To on the website. But whats the difference between the blue and green one? (edit: i just read ur other post)

As for the RAM, ill change it for the 1600 one, but whats the difference between the 2 actually?

1) It's dutch? I thought it was german (I'll try to have a look anyway, I only speak a little german, if it's dutch I'm screwed :p)
http://www.caseking.de/shop/catalog/Versandkosten:_:1.html  (found it! ~8 EURO shipping cost to Belgium)

2) if your old pc is 10 years old, it probably uses IDE connections not SATA, basically you'll have to buy a converter (check though, if it has HUGE multicoloured ribbon like cables it's IDE, I mean huge). DVD Drives shouldn't cost too much, they are all around 20 EURO, even the good ones.

3)Check the monitor connections, it should have something like this: (DVI)
http://www.sudcamp.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/dvi_d_socket.jpg

Or a HDMI socket (middle), not sure how old it is (the other option is a display port (left))
http://www.hothardware.com/articleimages/Item1068/big_displayport.jpg

If it doesn't have either of these, you'll probably need an adapter . (It should have a DVI)
Nothing worse than missing a simple but important component when you get it.

4) Not sure myself, but I have a WD green myself, nothing odd or strange about it, works as I expect it too.

5) It's a frequency, how many times it does something a second -> more is better!
(Also I should mention cheaper ram tends to have worse shielding and higher clock cycles [9-9-9-24 is a clock cycle, essentially how many times it goes through the ram until it gets kicked out, more = slower], but as christo said it's getting better with time, but I'd still stick with a name you can trust e.g. Corsair)

[Gnjus]

Hey Senni does your last name happens to be Seviyorum ?

[Senni__Ti]

Sorry gnjus, I don't swing that way ;)