Need help for a new PC

[Rumblood]

The second one (more expensive) is better.. but neither come with an operating system, both have crap PSU's etc, no monitors/peripherals

So your budget is the main issue. (The first is already maxing your budget)

Put a list together of the price you can get all the parts at (including your peripherals etc)

(click to show/hide)

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+FX-4100+Quad-Core&id=255 http://cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-4670+%40+3.40GHz&id=1933 http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=Radeon+HD+7790 http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=GeForce+GTX+760

The current PSU are crap for a gaming computer.. you need to go above the minimum power requirements (eg for the second graphics card NVIDIA GeForce GTX 760 you need about a 750W PSU not the 500 minimum)

(click to show/hide)

I would keep to...
corsair models hx.tx.ax.axi

xfx

seasonic

thermaltake models toughpower,black widow

quality units come with a 5-7yr warranty

I put together a list and prices of all the parts, including a GTX 760 and a 750 W PSU to go with it, not to mention an 8 core AMD instead of a 4 core, and that's for alot closer to 600 Euro and not 800. If I put together a parts and price list for 800 Euro it would be even better. 

I could take the time to put the Euro cost instead of dollar cost, which I stated the total Euro cost at the beginning. But if the effort is just going to be ignored, I'm not going to bother. But then, perhaps the item cost is WAY more expensive over there.

[Vermilion]

I put together a list and prices of all the parts, including a GTX 760 and a 750 W PSU to go with it, not to mention an 8 core AMD instead of a 4 core, and that's for alot closer to 600 Euro and not 800. If I put together a parts and price list for 800 Euro it would be even better. 

I could take the time to put the Euro cost instead of dollar cost, which I stated the total Euro cost at the beginning. But if the effort is just going to be ignored, I'm not going to bother. But then, perhaps the item cost is WAY more expensive over there.

My post was in reply to Jackies not yours.. but as you've bought it up

Personally i wouldn't go with a coolmaster PSU..
The benchmark for the 8 core AMD you suggested is lower than the I5 Jackie posted but on a budget would be my preferred option (get the AMD processor and a better PSU for the same(ish) price as the I5 and a lower quality PSU).

Also your post didn't include any peripherals/OS and you maxed out the original 600 euro budget.

Other than that I thought your build suggestion was very good and Jackie should consider it (if he can afford it)

[JackieChan]

(click to show/hide)

Not on a budget. Get enough RAM, as it is very cheap even for great RAM, to load the program into memory. Once it is loaded, that SSD is a fancy device that sits there until you need to read from it again.

So you've got 600 Euro's? About $800. So here is a sample. This is geared to be a gaming PC and for your Graphics studies. Meaning, you need to put as much into your video card as you can, except for rendering, which as I understand it is CPU based for Maya, not sure about 3DS Max, but likely the same. So you want a decent multi-core processor as well, with enough RAM to hold what you are running in memory.

I would start with this GTX 760. Price $250
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130935&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-Desktop+Graphics+Cards-_-N82E16814130935&gclid=COyBnvbajbkCFeHm7AodiRgAeg

Then grab an 8 core AMD processor and motherboard combo. Price $275
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1400909

8GB of RAM should do fine. Price about $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233180

Alright. That puts you at about $600 with another $200 to spend on your case, power supply, hard drive, etc.

While an SSD drive is cool to have, it is totally not necessary and costs 2x-5x+ over a standard hard drive. You can get this 1TB drive for half the price of a 256GB SSD. $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148840

Leaves us with $130

Case ATX mid-tower and 3 fans for $45
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147153

So $85 for a power supply.

CoolerMaster 750W for $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171053

Now I was looking at the cpu/motherboard combo, and it didn't appear to come with a heatsink. I know we've only got $25 left in the budget, but if you can find the extra cash, I recommend this liquid cooling solution for $60, putting you $35 over budget.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010110575%201377228279&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=20
If not, well you can get a standard heatsink/fan for your cpu for as little as $10
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010110575%201377228279&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=20

Now, you are still missing some key components, like a CD-ROM drive, a monitor, keyboard/mouse, but those are parts that usually move from the old PC to the new one (the hard drive too often times)

If that is not the case, then you may have some tough decisions, to make, especially if you don't have a monitor. Here's what you can do to free up some cash, but I wouldn't start here if you can help it. It will serve your purpose, but you'll probably look to upgrade in the next year or so, whereas with the specs above, you should get 2-3 years out of it at least without needing to upgrade anything.

So if needing a monitor too, get the GTX 650 Ti (notice the Ti! Do not get just the GTX 650, it blows) which will save you about $70.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130910

That will get you within $10 of a refurbished 19" monitor with 1280x1024 resolution, which that GTX 650Ti will be fine with.

You could also save another $70-$80 by dropping to a quad-core cpu, but if you are going to be rendering from a 3D graphics program, I really would not recommend that you do that. Also, I put the first 3 items first because they are what matters the most. They are also where you can trim the most cash if you find yourself in a pinch, but really, try not to go low on those. Scavenge a CD drive from a PC someone tossed out, or find one at a thrift shop, or ask your friends if they have an old spare. Same thing with keyboard/mouse. Hell, I have a few of those if you lived nearby that you could have. I've even got a monitor that is a spare in case one of the current ones go out.

Finally, here is a video from NewEgg on building your PC. Yes, I like NewEgg. Their prices are good and their items work, and the one time I had an issue, I simply returned it to them after they shipped me the replacement.

Sorry for not paying enough attention at your post, theres so many people that gave their advice i need to look everyone's one by one ^^
This seems like im going  to take this, as it seems to be in line with by budget and it will satisfy all my needs. thanks alot for your help :)
I got a question tho, does NewEgg delivers in Europe?
If not theres probably the same sort of website in Europe somewhere

So thanks to Rumblood, the specs will be:
Processor: 8 core AMD processor and motherboard combo (205 EUR)
Graphic card:GeForce GTX 760 2GB (185EUR)
Ram: CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB) (50EUR)
Hard drive: Seagate Barracuda 1TB (50EUR)
Case: Case ATX mid-tower and 3 fans (30EUR)
Power supply: CoolerMaster 750W (45 EUR)
heatsink for the cpu/motherboard combo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103179 (40 EUR)

Which gives a total of 605 Euros. Perfect budget wise.

As for the other components like Mouse/ keyboard and CD-ROM drive, i can go a bit over the budget as im just going to look out for the cheapest around.

I doesnt really matter if the specs go a little above the budget as it is flexible (to a certain point)

edit: ah  i just saw Vermilion post, ill look at it

[Rumblood]

My post was in reply to Jackies not yours.. but as you've bought it up

Personally i wouldn't go with a coolmaster PSU..
The benchmark for the 8 core AMD you suggested is lower than the I5 Jackie posted but on a budget would be my preferred option (get the AMD processor and a better PSU for the same(ish) price as the I5 and a lower quality PSU).

Also your post didn't include any peripherals/OS and you maxed out the original 600 euro budget.

Other than that I thought your build suggestion was very good and Jackie should consider it (if he can afford it)

Yeah, there are better PSU's, but on a budget, I've used the Coolermaster in my kids PC's without an issue. Like I said, without the budget the build would look a bit diffferent. The i5 processor is for an 800 Euro budget, the AMD 8 core is for a 600 Euro budget. if I had another 200 Euro to throw at it, I would get the i7 3770k processor, bump the RAM up to 16GB or bump the video card up to a GTX 770 and get a better PSU. 

Jackie, NewEgg doesn't deliver to Europe. This site delivers to the U.K. and worldwide it says. I checked some random countries on the continent and the shipping prices didn't seem to go up an outrageous amount. I spot checked some of the components and the pricing looks very comparable.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/index.php

[zagibu]

The second one (more expensive) is better.. but neither come with an operating system, both have crap PSU's etc, no monitors/peripherals

So your budget is the main issue. (The first is already maxing your budget)

Put a list together of the price you can get all the parts at (including your peripherals etc)

(click to show/hide)

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+FX-4100+Quad-Core&id=255
http://cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-4670+%40+3.40GHz&id=1933
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=Radeon+HD+7790
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=GeForce+GTX+760

The current PSU are crap for a gaming computer.. you need to go above the minimum power requirements (eg for the second graphics card NVIDIA GeForce GTX 760 you need about a 750W PSU not the 500 minimum)

(click to show/hide)

I would keep to...
corsair models hx.tx.ax.axi

xfx

seasonic

thermaltake models toughpower,black widow

quality units come with a 5-7yr warranty

A 750W PSU, wtf. You could power 2 PCs with that, maybe even three.

[Rumblood]

A 750W PSU, wtf. You could power 2 PCs with that, maybe even three.

Sure, with lower end components you could. PSU's are most efficient at around 60-80% load. GTX 760 recommended is a 600W PSU. 750W x 80% = 600W. So you want a 750W PSU. Accounting for some additional overhead, you might even want to go a bit higher.

[Silicium]

You're wrong the i5-4670 is a pretty good cpu in regards of how low priced it is, if you looked at how other processor do in the same range, the only thing he could get for better performance is the i7 but he would need to throw about hundred more euro's.

[Vermilion]

You're wrong the i5-4670 is a pretty good cpu in regards of how low priced it is, if you looked at how other processor do in the same range, the only thing he could get for better performance is the i7 but he would need to throw about hundred more euro's.

Who's wrong? No one has put down the I5..

We just said the AMD FX-8120 would be better for his budget

[zagibu]

Sure, with lower end components you could. PSU's are most efficient at around 60-80% load. GTX 760 recommended is a 600W PSU. 750W x 80% = 600W. So you want a 750W PSU. Accounting for some additional overhead, you might even want to go a bit higher.

Please, can you explain to me how a card that has a power consumption of ~160 Watts on full load warrants the installation of a 750W PSU? Do you really think the rest of his system consumes that much power?

Please don't support the PSU craze.

[Silicium]

Who's wrong? No one has put down the I5..

We just said the AMD FX-8120 would be better for his budget

Was referring to you, you didn't end your sentence between the cpu benchmark and where you spoke about the psu with a dot so i assumed you were speaking of both.

Just a simple misunderstanding.

[Vermilion]

Was referring to you, you didn't end your sentence between the cpu benchmark and where you spoke about the psu with a dot so i assumed you were speaking of both.

Just a simple misunderstanding.

Fair enough

[Rumblood]

Please, can you explain to me how a card that has a power consumption of ~160 Watts on full load warrants the installation of a 750W PSU? Do you really think the rest of his system consumes that much power?

Please don't support the PSU craze.

Toss in the CPU at 240 Watts at the very low end, it could get to be double that with overclocking, another 50-100W for the motherboard/memory/CD-Rom/Fans/Hard Drives and you are at 450W already (or 60% of continuous PSU rating). What happens when he decides that he has the cash and desire for another GTX 760 to run in SLI or overclocks that single card GPU or CPU? He'll be looking to purchase another PSU that can support it or have a system that either 1: Won't boot or 2: Won't work properly with weird BSD errors and such that will have him scratching his head wondering what component broke. That's assuming he doesn't 3: smoke check the inadequate power supply, taking other valuable PC components along with it. Also, the minimum recommended system power for the GTX 760 is 500W. Minimum

The danger of too much Wattage? Inefficient usage under lower loads (which he is in no danger of with a 750W PSU and these components)
The danger of too little Wattage? A PC that doesn't boot, or has weird issues that puzzle the user, or you blow out the PSU and possibly other components. At the very least, it will be inefficient due to loss in extra heat and contribute to a heating problem with the PC.

Please don't tell people to gamble with their equipment in order save a few pennies.

[Molly]

I haven't checked the market for a while so I don't really know what's hot and what not...

...but I noticed the 8 cores on the cpu. I just want to state that there is no practical use for that amount of cores and there won't be for the years to come.

That's all really.

Enjoy your new rig Yes, I am jelly

[zagibu]

Toss in the CPU at 240 Watts at the very low end, it could get to be double that with overclocking, another 50-100W for the motherboard/memory/CD-Rom/Fans/Hard Drives and you are at 450W already (or 60% of continuous PSU rating). What happens when he decides that he has the cash and desire for another GTX 760 to run in SLI or overclocks that single card GPU or CPU? He'll be looking to purchase another PSU that can support it or have a system that either 1: Won't boot or 2: Won't work properly with weird BSD errors and such that will have him scratching his head wondering what component broke. That's assuming he doesn't 3: smoke check the inadequate power supply, taking other valuable PC components along with it. Also, the minimum recommended system power for the GTX 760 is 500W. Minimum

The danger of too much Wattage? Inefficient usage under lower loads (which he is in no danger of with a 750W PSU and these components)
The danger of too little Wattage? A PC that doesn't boot, or has weird issues that puzzle the user, or you blow out the PSU and possibly other components. At the very least, it will be inefficient due to loss in extra heat and contribute to a heating problem with the PC.

Please don't tell people to gamble with their equipment in order save a few pennies.

A CPU that consumes 240W? I think you are confusing total system power consumption figures with component power consumption. There is no CPU currently that consumes much more than 100W on full load. Another 100W for the rest of the system components is practically impossible to surpass, you'd need like 10 fans and 4 highspeed HDs to even scratch it.

Please don't tell people to blindly buy into the PSU craze. PSUs are very simple and cheap to produce components compared to e.g. CPUs, yet the vendors price them artificially high because they can feed off the uninformed masses that just think "me needs more powa".

[Rumblood]

I haven't checked the market for a while so I don't really know what's hot and what not...

...but I noticed the 8 cores on the cpu. I just want to state that there is no practical use for that amount of cores and there won't be for the years to come.

That's all really.

Enjoy your new rig Yes, I am jelly

Sorry but you are wrong. He is going to be using this machine for graphics rendering.

http://greyscalegorilla.com/blog/2010/11/12-core-vs-8-core-vs-2-core-cinema-4-render-speed-test/