as he stated. We attack with lesser used gear (from other attacks... still the same stuff we use just +1 variety that has seen one fight) in the first wave or two. It is just good business and not malicious.
Not malicious? The way you add more items than you would otherwise to your army and time your attacks so that people don't have time to pull gear out makes this strategy incredibly detrimental to quality gameplay; it is not a good use of game mechanics, it is cruelty to your opponent.
It is not against the rules and if they were doing this to us I would not complain at all.
HUGE difference is tossing random shit in the fief prior to attacking it and attacking with +1 gear you already used once.
Things like multiple kinds of zero-slot weapons, three tiers of the same weapon, dozens or more of armors (head and body) were used against Ahmerrad
when it was already having problems with the item bug. There is indeed a huge difference between defenders getting many crummy items that aren't very good that are difficult to get rid of in-game and defenders getting a handful of decent item types in very small stacks. (*not that it justifies an intentional item-bomb, though)
It's not against the rules, but in a case like this some of the things the FCC has done have had a worse impact on the game in general and specifically the defense's ability to select items than adding a small handful of almost entirely weapons in low quantities, which is apparently what you're complaining about here (which isn't to say it's not a valid complaint: if someone broke the rules it should be addressed).
The item-bombing rule is unfortunately extremely vague and hard to enforce (normal admins don't even have access to relevant information needed): what constitutes "a lot" of items? How do you determine the culprit's intent to grief in this fashion, even it it was your enemy who did it? (while it seems very unlikely, a mistake is still a possibility)
Correction: YOU DID do it. Maybe not now, but the way you "cobble" weak armies that aren't real armies might be like that.(Justification: why waste our real gear on a first wave battle? BTW this is Fine, but just saying)
I have had Kesh, in the Ahmerrad Sieges back in the day, talk about the amount of extra shit they brought just for bombing the fief. Course, I don't care one way or another cause I got paid, but it has happened(as a after battle loot way).
Annnnnd no, I did not. I did mention using up our leftover gear from the previous battles in the area in the first wave with our non-loomed gear, +1-+2 gear in the second wave and saving the +3 gear in the third and 4th waves.
4th wave was
full of varying levels of gear,
you are a liar. Screenshots available if needed.
We do the same thing with every siege, absentee fief owner or not - just like when we took ichamur and the chaos castles, because you dont want to give defenders scads of +1 gear they can reuse for the follow up attacks and make it easier to defend (what lost legion doesn't realize is they fully equipped ichamur for whenever hospitallers attack it, even more so with the tax money from selling goods there - we probably would have had some issues with replacing high end gear otherwise). That has nothing to do with item bombing - everything to do with defender's advantage with the looting system and why we apply to all attacks regardless of whether the gear is taken out or not.
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Yes, I really like teleporting fief owners who don't know to transfer a fief to a faction member before leaving it, and that is part of the game - you lock in the gold and the gear and save yourself 2/3rds of what it would have cost you to take the castle/city (an enormously expensive thing to do for the many people here posting who have never taken a castle or city themselves) because you recover most of your gear used in a +1 state ready to be used in future battles instead of having to buy new fully equipped set of gear.
Your problem is that you feel as though losing gear to the intended game system entitles you to get it back. It's a bad attitude that makes for horrible gameplay when you do what you can to take advantage of bad mechanics such as attack timing, the transfer system and item-slot limits that don't allow defense to have a well-sorted gear list.
Saying defense is easier and that they don't deserve anymore advantages doesn't justify attackers using incredibly cheap tactics - and you can bet you'll hear flak for it (which you're also bound to complain about).
We have never transferred gear into a fief after we attacked it to make it item bugged (specifically against the rules (http://forum.meleegaming.com/strategus-general-discussion/strategus-rules/ 5) Itembombing a fief. Dropping a lot of items in an enemy fief is not allowed. It causes incredibly long equipment lists for the fief.
You did do it before the rule was in place, however, and people remember that. You also skirt the rule by stocking attacking armies more full of slots than you need to.
Now it looks like lost legion has done that, but since you love to hate us you write it off, while accusing us still of doing the same, when we never have and never tried to. Every siege of ahmerrad we had less than 100 item types. In fact I think every siege we have ever done has had less than 100 item types (we have done a lot - Derchios, Ahmerrad, Ichamur, Dhirim, Senuzgda, Kelredan, Ismirala castle, Curaw, Reyvadin, Sungetche castle, probably a couple more i forgot).
Anyway I sent pm to Harald, cmp, and meow about the matter - they are taking care of it and looking into who did the transfer.
You complained about getting 17 new item types in a fief, a handful of which are
ideal for siege defense and as a faction you
are literally the reason the item-bombing rule even exists and you guys wonder why people think you're the bad guy? On top of, apparently, denying ever having item-bombed (maybe you just mean before it was a rule and left that qualifier out? Incredibly shady concealment of facts. SPEAKING OF WHICH: Sure, 99 is "less than 100 item types", but you've attacked with exactly that amount before)
Basically, I can't understand how you guys are so surprised to hear shit about it when you bring this issue up.
