Archived strat battles - chart view

[Harpag]

Latest patch has brought a fantastic tool. I want to thank for that here and also recommend it to everyone!

Go to: http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesarchive + Chart viev

A few examples of statistics:

(all filter fields blank + search)

Global lost troops: (from October 2012 to present) - 1 901 637    Genocide!

+(select region)
EU 993 459 (No faction 139 587 - 14.1% lol)
NA 908 178 (FCC 156 812 - 17.3%)

or (for Apostates only)

(Involvment - Faction, Region - EU, Faction - Grey Order, rest fields blank)

Our common statistics:
37 battles, Lost 75 208 troops, we attacked 24 times (64.9%), you 13 times (35.1%) You lost 39.891 (53%), we lost 35 317 (47%), last two weeks 34.6 k 56 % to 44% for us.

(Region EU, Fief: Tshibtin, rest fields blank)

Lost troops: 22,370 This village is a living hell 

(Fief: Uxkhal, rest fields blank)

Lost troops: 28 241 including 12 121 Greys - it was not a bad attack, it just looked bad 

(Period 2 weeks, EU, rest blank)

In the past 2 weeks Apostates lost 25 255 tickets

(Region EU, Faction Coalition and search)

They are fighting mainly against No faction 
They killed 19,879 randoms hehehe

(Region NA Faction: Free Companies of Calradia)

You look at the most active NA clan

etc.

Have fun

[Tomas]

(Region EU, Faction Coalition and search)

They are fighting mainly against No faction 
They killed 19,879 randoms hehehe

19,879 randoms killed but 24,763 Greys

I'm surprised we didn't lose more at Uxkhal though.  It certainly felt like a lot more at the time.  Certainly the most brutal series of Fief battles i've seen in Strat

[Harpag]

19,879 randoms killed but 24,763 Greys

24,763 Greys killed but you lost 28,655 

I'm surprised we didn't lose more at Uxkhal though.  It certainly felt like a lot more at the time.  Certainly the most brutal series of Fief battles i've seen in Strat

Yes, I'm surprised too. During siege of Uxkhal you've lost 15,563 and we 12,121.
From point of view of a single battle, siege is organizational nightmare much more difficult than defense, but statistics show that it is worth the effort and difference is relatively small.

According to statistics, Coalition is very aggressive - 73% of your battles is an attack, (just a pity that against randoms hehe) and you have 42,681 in Narra, so welcome to Praven 

Really good tool..., but pity that there is no filtering faction by number of players with tics ^^

[woody]

Great tool, used it to look at apostates versus mercs.

Explains why Haboe stopped updating his epeen kill ratio twaddle.

[Tomas]

Really good tool..., but pity that there is no filtering faction by number of players with tics ^^

You can make a reasonable guess at that from current tickets + lost tickets

The Coalition = 196,450 tickets (85,265 lost + 111,185 current)
Grey Order = 193,530 tickets (118,855 lost + 74,675 current)
Apostates = 175,202 tickets (88,017 lost + 87,185 current)
Druzhina = 160,696 tickets (90,223 lost + 70,473 current)
Crusader Alliance = 152,693 tickets (76,344 lost + 76,349 current)
Wolves = 88,933 tickets (40,854 lost + 48,079 current)
Shu Han = 83,619 tickets (34,088 lost + 49,531 current)
Kapikulu = 65,955 tickets (27,414 lost + 38,541 current)
Peacebreakers = 44,348 tickets (14,693 lost + 29,655 current)
Barabe = 41,589 tickets (26,197 lost + 15,392 current)

Can't be bothered doing any more but that's the top 10 from EU.  I know some of the troops will have been given or bought but that doesn't really make much difference imo as they are still useable tickets for whatever faction has them now.

From the above, The Coalition are the biggest but not by much whilst the main jump is between Crusader Alliance and Wolves.

[Harpag]

These numbers are of course correct, but for current troops only inside fiefs. Troops, gold, goods etc deposited on players remain invisible. Look:

http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusfieflist + chart view + EU

Market size: among large EU factions, only Druzhina professionally manages production and sales and you as usual, biggest noobs - 266k unused goods, over 21 milions gold and 111k troops ONLY IN FIEFS + several hundred attacks^^ against 100 white randoms. Wasted potential 

Statistics show that you are main reason why our stategus is less dynamic than NA.

Moreover only filtering by tics, can give ability to precisely forecasting far future^^ It's great that there is no such option hehe

[Tyr_]

If you compare the % of tickets with the % of troops you can see that it is definitly not coalitions fault. Every facton having (Percentage of troops / Percentage of fiefs) > 1 is making this strat static. So it is basicly every major EU faction except templars.

[Keshian]

You can make a reasonable guess at that from current tickets + lost tickets

The Coalition = 196,450 tickets (85,265 lost + 111,185 current)
Grey Order = 193,530 tickets (118,855 lost + 74,675 current)
Apostates = 175,202 tickets (88,017 lost + 87,185 current)
Druzhina = 160,696 tickets (90,223 lost + 70,473 current)
Crusader Alliance = 152,693 tickets (76,344 lost + 76,349 current)
Wolves = 88,933 tickets (40,854 lost + 48,079 current)
Shu Han = 83,619 tickets (34,088 lost + 49,531 current)
Kapikulu = 65,955 tickets (27,414 lost + 38,541 current)
Peacebreakers = 44,348 tickets (14,693 lost + 29,655 current)
Barabe = 41,589 tickets (26,197 lost + 15,392 current)

Can't be bothered doing any more but that's the top 10 from EU.  I know some of the troops will have been given or bought but that doesn't really make much difference imo as they are still useable tickets for whatever faction has them now.

From the above, The Coalition are the biggest but not by much whilst the main jump is between Crusader Alliance and Wolves.

Free Companies of Calradia = 197,438 (156,984 lost+40,454 current)

Kind of shows how inaccurate this is.  We have thousands more troops than our garrisons say and of those troops we lost I would say we have bought or traded fiefs or just plain capped flags on over-garrisoned fiefs (captured 15,000 troops that way) for about 90,000 of those tickets.  But under your calculation we would have more members with ticks than grey order and coalition, which I can assure you is absolutely not the case - we would be lucky if we have half their number.

These numbers are of course correct, but for current troops only inside fiefs. Troops, gold, goods etc deposited on players remain invisible. Look:

http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusfieflist + chart view + EU

Market size: among large EU factions, only Druzhina professionally manages production and sales and you as usual, biggest noobs - 266k unused goods, over 21 milions gold and 111k troops ONLY IN FIEFS + several hundred attacks^^ against 100 white randoms. Wasted potential 

Statistics show that you are main reason why our stategus is less dynamic than NA.

Moreover only filtering by tics, can give ability to precisely forecasting far future^^ It's great that there is no such option hehe

To be fair occitan learned EU turtling from the UIF and have done a total of 45 attacks since the start of strategus - some of those in EU.  They are the biggest faction in NA with most troops, most gold, most players and most fiefs and they are slowly making NA as stagnant as EU thanks to what arrowaine learned from his EU allies - basically all they do is buy fiefs and never attack, change it to trading simulator game with no real battles.

Its like that one economics game theory where whoever wins the most is the guy that turtles while the other guys doesn't turtle, but then everyone chooses to turtle because its in their interest to not be the big loser who doesn't turtle, but then everyone loses when no one attacks.  We gave Occitan an opening by bleeding 50K troops taking all the FIDLGB and most of the Chaos fiefs, while Occitan built up to 120K troops with them and their vassal faction semenstorm by not doing any attacks for months  (basically we would be the big loser in game theory).  But Arrowaine at heart is scared of us and is so worried about Pixel e-peen they went right back to turtling and stopped marching armies towards us before even 1 battle.


Really - EVERYONE needs to get over their addiction to pixel e-peen.  Just risk losing everything and duke it out for all the troops - no one says you have to attack their castles and cities.  Just attack every village and field army you see.  Even if you lose 60K troops you are not going to lose your core cities and castles with those size garrisons - make mad xp for everyone.

[bagge]

Really - EVERYONE needs to get over their addiction to pixel e-peen

Quote of the year.

It's kinda ridiculous how people love their color on the fiefs name and wanking eachother off in their castles/towns.

[Erasmas]

As long as I agree that Start should be less stagnant, I kinda hate the attitude of "drop everything, stop thinking and attack the enemy". Strategus is supposed to be a strategic game.  Strategic!!! It means that players, factions should plan ahead, have long term goals, try to achieve them and fight to GET something (or to DEFEND) something. 

For that reason I do believe that it really is up to devs to tweak the game mechanics in the way that forces players/factions to fight. I agree that this game is all about fighting, but Strategus is about fighting for something. Faction's sense of security is a killer to this game. we are all willing to fight to achieve something, even to risk to achieve something. But once you achieve it, the smartest strategy in current Calradia is to stock up the troops and gold and say "come and get me". And only devs can change that attitude. We - the players - can only decide not to play smart anymore and do something stupid to have fun.

Which is not a bad idea, and that is why we are giving you all a nice strategical aim - we are asking you to join us in war effort in wiping Mercs    It will take some time, and will give us all a chance to enjoy this game during that time, without having the feeling of running around like headless chicken and fighting for the fighting sake (which is how I perceive NA war theatre).

[Tomas]

@ Harpag

1) DRZ have no S&D because Coalition, Crusader Alliance, Knights who say Ni and Peacebreakers have been routinely stealing it whenever they can   I don't think they are any better at managing it than anybody else.

2) If you take away all the No Faction attacks then The Coalition has still made significantly more faction attacks on EU than anybody else so why does it matter if we made 131 No Faction attacks?

@ Kesh

The tickets still have to come from somewhere and it doesn't matter whether they come from loyalty, diplomacy or payment, they are still coming to you.  I admit that the 15k flagged capped tickets do distort things though and i did say it was only a "reasonable guess" at clan power bases.

The real problem with the guess is that can easily be based on out of date info. There's people out there with enough ticks to grind troops for the next 18 months but they could be completely inactive now except for transferring the troops.  I suspect that what the so called inactive/turtle factions really lack atm, is players to actually make attacks and leaders to coordinate them.

[Keshian]

 without having the feeling of running around like headless chicken and fighting for the fighting sake (which is how I perceive NA war theatre).

Really?  You haven't been tracking our wars.  We take fiefs from enemy factions and sell them and teleport their players to hell EU, which is significantly more organized than anything on EU side other than the coalition, templar push to take the west 6 months ago and the coordinated move that took most of DRZ fiefs in the desert.  i just have to say - I hope you enjoy attacking Dhirim as much as we did 

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P.S.  Also my faction's pixel e-peen kicks your faction's pixel e-peen's - we own 4 cities to your 3 and are half your size on a map with half as many cities.      Just teasing, we will probably sell those fiefs too (we've sold 15 fiefs so far) at some point so we can get more objectives completed with battles rather than turtling.

[Harpag]

I totally agree with Erasmas, devs please do this:

http://forum.meleegaming.com/strategus-general-discussion/why-the-current-battle-system-needs-a-fix-%28in-big-battles%29/msg766872/#msg766872

or at least a random earthquake or flood, best in Narra area ^^ On our side of map nobody wants running around like headless chicken 

@ Tyr, look at numbers again - Templars have 1:1...

@ Tomas, no offense, but why are you afraid of us so much? After all statistics are not everything 

Now, seriously, we are doing what we can to bring in more big battles, but when you accumulate such huge stocks, we also can not leave our land without defense. And full circle. If the devs will not help us solve this problem, we will have to do it together, so if you not plan a holiday now, move a bit your lazy ass and make decent campaign. At end of day XP is for everyone.

@Kesh , even if I was a heavy gambler, I would not make a bet on your survival on our side of  map ( aside from problem with ping, of course ) 

[Torben]

is about fighting for something.

just droping this here 

http://forum.meleegaming.com/suggestions-corner/give-the-strat-map-more-places-of-strategic-interest/

[Harpag]

It looks great, but I no longer have faith in miracles, there is not even a large hope for improvement current 1/3 system