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Re: Ryse. What the actual fuck?
« Reply #90 on: July 09, 2013, 03:28:07 pm »
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That their way of life was horrible, no question.
What was horrible about it?
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Re: Ryse. What the actual fuck?
« Reply #91 on: July 09, 2013, 03:30:09 pm »
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Re: Ryse. What the actual fuck?
« Reply #92 on: July 09, 2013, 03:58:27 pm »
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Might aswell just derail. Nothing further to discuss. QTE-s suck and the game will be shit. Not gonna lock it thou. I like where this is going. :rolleyes:
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Re: Ryse. What the actual fuck?
« Reply #93 on: July 10, 2013, 06:49:30 pm »
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Well, arguably that's exactly what the spartans did though. They defended their freedom (i.e. not having to bow down to a foreign power or worse, pay taxes) and their way of life. That their way of life was horrible, no question. But freedom and such aside, this are just words with many meanings. I am not quite sure that a rightwing American means "I hope that every person on the planet has the chance to decide himself what he is going to do with his life" when he says freedom. Explain the difference between slavery and people working under horrible conditions with hardly enough to get by and no real chance to get out. Which many right-wing Americans apparently have no problem with. One could make a longer list.
But in the end the thing is, maybe there's actually quite a few values that are actually important to the American Right in real ancient Sparta (more than in say ancient Athens). They were quite gay and pedophile apparently, which is unfortunate, but we have the artistic freedom of taking it out, since it does only distract people from understanding our message about how people awesomely fought for defending their way of life. There's also the crippled guy iirc, which is not accepted by them. This could be perhaps him working in the eugenics stuff, but then the cripple is also portrayed as corrupted ... some viewers might actually sympathize with that view.
I'm not saying the movie was good, it was fairly bad actually because 90% of the screentime was reserved for halfnaked men and halfnaked women barely showed up. Just wanted to rant.

TLDR: The shocking is maybe not that he has a completely flawed understanding about a culture with horrible values. It is that he (openly, secretly or subconsciously) agrees to a lot of those values.

By that logic, virtually any person or group of people claiming having a right on anything can "defend" a piece of land as small as they want (or just an idea) by killing any number of other people, and do it for freedom.

I mean, Al Qaeda did 9/11 for the freedom of islamic radicalism.

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Re: Ryse. What the actual fuck?
« Reply #94 on: July 13, 2013, 10:06:33 pm »
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Ryse dev got trolled hard by conan.

this a great clip you should watch it, i pissed myself when he was talking about that ps3 game.

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Re: Ryse. What the actual fuck?
« Reply #95 on: July 13, 2013, 11:03:03 pm »
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Aye. The murican spartanshit is seriuslly getting on my tits aswell. I wounder why in these spartan movies they didnt explain exactly why where the Spartans so well trained compared to other greeks. I quess they never dared to explain the cruel realism, in fear of we suddenly not rooting for them. Whoever states that it was to keep their freedum deserves to be beaten to death with a historytextbook.


But....they DID train so hard to keep their freedom... and to keep their slaves from having freedom. But the United States is no different: The USA's economy would have tanked much worse than it has if they didn't use slave labour. I will put a spoiler in, so 'Muricans can ignore and anyone else can read.

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I mean, Al Qaeda did 9/11 for the freedom of islamic radicalism.

Yes because Al Qaeda did 9/11............ My face actually hurts from how hard I palmed it when I read that in your post.
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Re: Ryse. What the actual fuck?
« Reply #96 on: July 14, 2013, 12:27:52 am »
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What was horrible about it?

Slavery + Killing their slaves preemptively.
Sacrificing a lot that enhances life (luxury, art, science and personal freedom of even the ruling class) for the military.
Killing their children, when they weren't fit for war.
And also, they ate beans.

By that logic, virtually any person or group of people claiming having a right on anything can "defend" a piece of land as small as they want (or just an idea) by killing any number of other people, and do it for freedom.

I mean, Al Qaeda did 9/11 for the freedom of islamic radicalism.

Not when you believe that Greeks actually had a right to the land they were living in for generations, while random terrorist group x has not. Although ofc my point goes in that direction. Since so many different politics which are conflicting with each other or even mutually exclusive have been said to be for freedom - which maybe isn't that surprising when you think about it - yeah, virtually anyone can SAY he is for freedom.
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Re: Ryse. What the actual fuck?
« Reply #97 on: July 14, 2013, 05:56:32 am »
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Wasn't this supposed to be about Ryse? What the fuck is going on in here?
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Re: Ryse. What the actual fuck?
« Reply #98 on: July 14, 2013, 07:13:49 am »
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Slavery + Killing their slaves preemptively.
Sacrificing a lot that enhances life (luxury, art, science and personal freedom of even the ruling class) for the military.
Killing their children, when they weren't fit for war.
And also, they ate beans.
Sounds good to me, except for the beans part. Fuck beans.
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Re: Ryse. What the actual fuck?
« Reply #99 on: July 14, 2013, 11:59:40 am »
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Sounds good to me, except for the beans part. Fuck beans.


Whaaaaa.....?! Rice and beans is what keeps you regular bro.

Also, have you TRIED baked beans in ketchup on buttered toast? maybe with some cheese melted on top and sprinkled with blackpepper? Its like....well it IS the food of teh gods!
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Re: Ryse. What the actual fuck?
« Reply #100 on: July 14, 2013, 12:05:41 pm »
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Also, have you TRIED baked beans in ketchup on buttered toast? maybe with some cheese melted on top and sprinkled with blackpepper? Its like....well it IS the food of teh gods!

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Re: Ryse. What the actual fuck?
« Reply #101 on: July 14, 2013, 12:18:18 pm »
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Fucking shit! I've lived here too long, I'm not even from here, but now that they have me defending their beans I think it might be too late for me.... SAVE YOURSELVES!
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Re: Ryse. What the actual fuck?
« Reply #102 on: July 14, 2013, 12:24:08 pm »
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If you still don't like boiled meat, there is hope for salvation.

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Re: Ryse. What the actual fuck?
« Reply #103 on: July 14, 2013, 12:42:20 pm »
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If you still don't like boiled meat, there is hope for salvation.

Thank fuck! I have no stopped to that yet.... although, those pies that have a critically low meat % in them are starting to look nicer by the day, I think I may need to take a trip back to spain and look at real food again so I dont fall into the trap...
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Re: Ryse. What the actual fuck?
« Reply #104 on: July 14, 2013, 12:44:51 pm »
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If you still don't like boiled meat, there is hope for salvation.

Nothing wrong with a good boiled ham.