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Re: Is THIS report really that useful?
« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2013, 06:29:39 pm »
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Grow a pair. Unintentional teamhits happen and this feature is in the game for intentional teamhits when there are no admins around, so people still can get kicked.
If you report unintentional teamhits you're just being an arrogant douchebag.

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Re: Is THIS report really that useful?
« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2013, 06:45:42 pm »
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Grow a pair. Unintentional teamhits happen and this feature is in the game for intentional teamhits when there are no admins around, so people still can get kicked.
If you report unintentional teamhits you're just being an arrogant douchebag.

That's the problem, some people are so careless that they teamwound "unintentionally" way too often, I don't think anyone is an "arrogant douchebag" if they report someone who wounds multiple team mates every round and doesn't even have the decency to say sorry. Everyone does unintentional team hits but most apologise and there is a line where "too much" becomes detrimental to everyone else gameplay, why should my or anyone else gameplay suffer because we have a team mate that does as much damage to his own team than the enemy, even if it is "unintentional" and down to his own carelessness.

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Re: Is THIS report really that useful?
« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2013, 07:11:35 pm »
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That's the problem, some people are so careless that they teamwound "unintentionally" way too often, I don't think anyone is an "arrogant douchebag" if they report someone who wounds multiple team mates every round and doesn't even have the decency to say sorry. Everyone does unintentional team hits but most apologise and there is a line where "too much" becomes detrimental to everyone else gameplay, why should my or anyone else gameplay suffer because we have a team mate that does as much damage to his own team than the enemy, even if it is "unintentional" and down to his own carelessness.

I think fips is referring to people who instantly report ANY teamhits, without even giving a chance to apologise. It still happens sometimes and is really annoying.

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Re: Is THIS report really that useful?
« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2013, 07:12:24 pm »
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A few things to keep in mind for a feature like this:

Too strict and people will be afraid to help their team mates. I would much rather people get stuck in and hit stuff, even if it means I take some team hits sometimes. I don't want people to play in a timid way when that could get me killed. I want them to make semi risky attacks if that means they are learning to be better players and could help me kill someone. You don't get better if you won't try the risky attacks like long spearing around team mates. People shouldn't be afraid to try this stuff. There's obviously somewhere you draw the line though

Another thing with a strict system is people will intentionally get in the way to get you kicked. It could seem innocent but the guy knows he's just running in to get people to hit him with hits that he knows probably won't kill him but gets someone kicked from the server

As it is now I think it functions as a way to limit intentional team hitters, but they have to hit a lot before they are kicked since you only seem to be able to report 1 team hit every so often. So in that sense it doesn't work that well, but works eventually. Careless players probably aren't really punished much. The damage from the team hit isn't always what kills you, its the interrupt that allows enemies to get a hit in. Maybe we could have a system that if you Ctrl-M someone if you take enemy damage say 5 secs after taking team hit then the guy gets +2 to his limit or something

TBH I wouldn't really change much, maybe lower the limit a little. I just don't want people to be afraid to attack, that will be far worse than taking a few team hits every so often. It would be bad for teamplay if people just want to leave people alone to fight
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Re: Is THIS report really that useful?
« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2013, 07:17:15 pm »
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That's the problem, some people are so careless that they teamwound "unintentionally" way too often, I don't think anyone is an "arrogant douchebag" if they report someone who wounds multiple team mates every round and doesn't even have the decency to say sorry. Everyone does unintentional team hits but most apologise and there is a line where "too much" becomes detrimental to everyone else gameplay, why should my or anyone else gameplay suffer because we have a team mate that does as much damage to his own team than the enemy, even if it is "unintentional" and down to his own carelessness.

So what's that reporting gonna do to people who carelessly swing around the weapons not caring about who is next to them? Has anyone ever changed their playstyle because he got kicked for it a couple of times? I can't think of any. At least the known teamhitters on eu siege haven't changed a bit. I'm not going to name anybody here, but right now i can think of at least 10 people constantly teamhitting me or my team who could've been kicked a dozen times for teamhitting if everybody was a douche and reported them (Yet, most of them do have their hero-moments saving the team, even if they teamhitted somebody a couple of times during the round). Heck, most of the teamhits you can't even recognize because either somebody was butthugging you from behind, just staying at the final millisecond of your swing animation, jumping right into your shot way behind the guy you were actually aiming at or suddenly appearing out of a corner and whatnot.
Usually everyone apologizes if he/she recognizes the teamhit. And for gods sake, give them some time to apologize before you hit strg+m right away.

Some idiots even get killed in the middle of the fight while instareporting someone and they didn't find the buttons right away.

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Re: Is THIS report really that useful?
« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2013, 07:33:20 pm »
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I don't think anyone is an "arrogant douchebag" if they report someone who wounds multiple team mates every round and doesn't even have the decency to say sorry.

or even blame you for his 3 "unintentional" teamhits made in 3 seconds - I'm looking at you Erbosaither  :wink:
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Re: Is THIS report really that useful?
« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2013, 07:36:14 pm »
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Also add to the list: Total morons who blindly walk into your backslash as you are ramming a door or gate, naturally get hit and insantly report you.

This alone does not get you autokicked or anything but it surely is annoying as hell. I realize that it is not the reporting system's fault. It is totally about those enormous morons themselves but in the end, reporting becomes a toy in their childish hands.

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Re: Is THIS report really that useful?
« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2013, 07:49:54 pm »
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So what's that reporting gonna do to people who carelessly swing around the weapons not caring about who is next to them? Has anyone ever changed their playstyle because he got kicked for it a couple of times? I can't think of any. At least the known teamhitters on eu siege haven't changed a bit. I'm not going to name anybody here, but right now i can think of at least 10 people constantly teamhitting me or my team who could've been kicked a dozen times for teamhitting if everybody was a douche and reported them (Yet, most of them do have their hero-moments saving the team, even if they teamhitted somebody a couple of times during the round). Heck, most of the teamhits you can't even recognize because either somebody was butthugging you from behind, just staying at the final millisecond of your swing animation, jumping right into your shot way behind the guy you were actually aiming at or suddenly appearing out of a corner and whatnot.
Usually everyone apologizes if he/she recognizes the teamhit. And for gods sake, give them some time to apologize before you hit strg+m right away.

Some idiots even get killed in the middle of the fight while instareporting someone and they didn't find the buttons right away.

Why is any of these reason for not having the report? I know I'd rather be able to report people and have them kicked if they can't learn to stop mindlessly swinging, rather than not having the ability to do so. Of course it would be great if there were a better way to punish people who constantly hit their team mates when admins aren't around but I'm afraid no one has really come up with anything. So until someone does then I assume the report function is here to stay, even with its negatives.

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Re: Is THIS report really that useful?
« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2013, 07:53:45 pm »
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Why is any of these reason for not having the report? I know I'd rather be able to report people and have them kicked if they can't learn to stop mindlessly swinging, rather than not having the ability to do so. Of course it would be great if there were a better way to punish people who constantly hit their team mates when admins aren't around but I'm afraid no one has really come up with anything. So until someone does then I assume the report function is here to stay, even with its negatives.

Where did i say that i want the report function removed?!
Of course it should stay in, people should just stop being dicks to each other and report unintentional teamhits, that's basically all i wanted to say with those posts. For reporting intentional teamhits this feature turned out to work really well.

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Re: Is THIS report really that useful?
« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2013, 08:52:06 pm »
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Where did i say that i want the report function removed?!
Of course it should stay in, people should just stop being dicks to each other and report unintentional teamhits, that's basically all i wanted to say with those posts. For reporting intentional teamhits this feature turned out to work really well.

Aslong as there is free will, there will always be dicks that report instantly, even when it's their own fault that they got hit. I'm afraid some people make it their job to be dicks on the internet. But I can't remember the last time I got kicked through the report system, let alone getting kicked because of unwarranted reports.

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Re: Is THIS report really that useful?
« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2013, 08:58:19 pm »
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Re: Is THIS report really that useful?
« Reply #26 on: June 24, 2013, 09:10:12 pm »
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exactly why team hit reporting should be "Press Ctrl+M To Forgive" rather than "Pess Ctrl+M to Report", as it is now.

Anyone making 5+ unforgiven teamhits in a --30 minute-- period, (aka max of 7 lives), really needs to be kicked from the server a few times, so that they can learn what is basically just manners ... stop hitting their team mates in the back because they don't know how to control their attacks.
 I have a feeling that once these kill-hungry team-hitters have been kicked for what is basically just their lack of consideration, a few times, then they will make an active attempt to reduce their team-hits.
 Also, I would imagine that people who team-hit would be more inclined to say "sorry" if the person they team-hit had the power to forgive them rather than to report them.

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Just wanted to bring this up again - AWESOME idea, would +2 if I could. :rolleyes:

DONT do "Ctrl+M to report", only allow "Ctrl+M to forgive a team hit". IMO - this would be bloody good working stuff.

P.S. Even though I would probably get kicked way too often being a lame ass 2h anti-hero... :oops:

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Re: Is THIS report really that useful?
« Reply #27 on: June 24, 2013, 09:15:51 pm »
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Re: Is THIS report really that useful?
« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2013, 09:34:11 pm »
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Just wanted to bring this up again - AWESOME idea, would +2 if I could. :rolleyes:

DONT do "Ctrl+M to report", only allow "Ctrl+M to forgive a team hit". IMO - this would be bloody good working stuff.

P.S. Even though I would probably get kicked way too often being a lame ass 2h anti-hero... :oops:

It's a very stupid idea. In strat people would constantly get kicked and being punished with a higher respawn timer because in many situations you simply don't have the time to search for ctrl and m.

Basically it would destroy every messy situation ingame because if you don't want to get all your teammates kicked you would have to search for those 2 buttons and maybe even die because you did that.

Report system is good as it is. If you feel like you need to report the teamhit, go ahead and search for your QQ and m key, don't make me search for those keys if i couldn't care less about those teamhits.

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Re: Is THIS report really that useful?
« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2013, 09:44:30 pm »
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Grow a pair. Unintentional teamhits happen and this feature is in the game for intentional teamhits when there are no admins around, so people still can get kicked.
If you report unintentional teamhits you're just being an arrogant douchebag.

agree; i hardly ever report, honest, but it's pretty much clear there are some players that literally don't give a shit about a single team hit and just care about the kill, since they're sure they won't get punished; also the arrogance is shown by those who don't even say sorry imo.

i believe too that most of those th are unintentional, but i can also say there's no intention on preventing such things from the teamhitter.

what i'm trying to get is a report system that prevents from intentional teamhits (as it is now), but also prevents from unintentional th, making people a bit more careful to others' game (lowering the limit is a good option imo we should try).
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