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Stakes in EU2!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« on: June 23, 2013, 12:11:03 am »
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I'll bring up one thing that makes me both sad and irritated!
Stakes are allowed into EU2 but some players makes own rules by destroying their own players' stakes .... this makes me annoyed!!

The sad party is that the player / players who do that I really like but I dont accept they braking the rules and then call me stupied troll.....I dont brake any rules but you do!!!!... and I dont spam stakes ... only 1 - 2 ... if its alot of stakes I dont bring them out ...... and YES SOME PEOPLE ARE SPAMMING THE STAKES .... but not me.

So maby we should have some voting for this???????

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Re: Stakes in EU2!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2013, 01:46:10 pm »
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Re: Stakes in EU2!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2013, 01:51:08 pm »
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what is this EU2 u speak of?
And now he can't play because of "common sense" and he doesn't understand how this common sense works
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Re: Stakes in EU2!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2013, 02:19:31 pm »
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Devs should get rid of them in siege.

Yes, i destroy every stake in sight because they do not fucking belong in this game mode. Either people throw them at the top of ladders to completely block attackers for more than 30 seconds because they build up in a very weird way, or they are placed so horribly that attackers are allowed to jump down on them without losing health from places where you usually die when you jump down (And for a good reason, because it fucks up the balance), or people just throw them into fights completely blocking off defenders that have to fall back basically teamkilling them. Doesn't even have to be while fighting, just when you have to back off as defenders because you are being pushed very hard by attackers BOOM you are trapped in stakes that some idiot "wisely" placed there.

As hard as i try to remember a place where those stakes were actually useful for the defenders, i can't think of many. Well, maybe one or two do come to my mind. There are maps where cavalry can enter the castle from backdoors and just get in there and kill. Those are actually useful for the defense, but tbh there are like 2 or 3 castles where this is a problem and it's usually not the biggest deal.

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Re: Stakes in EU2!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2013, 04:38:47 pm »
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Yes, i destroy every stake in sight because they do not fucking belong in this game mode.

You do realize that just because you think that doesn't give you the right to grief your own team? Stakes can be useful and you can use them on siege, so anyone who want to use them is allowed to. You are NOT allowed to just indisciminately destroy them because you feel they don't belong on siege.

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Re: Stakes in EU2!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2013, 04:42:10 pm »
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stakes are made to be anti cav, rarely cav on siege, remove stakes plz because they are indeed being put down by airheads.
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Re: Stakes in EU2!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2013, 05:24:16 pm »
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You do realize that just because you think that doesn't give you the right to grief your own team? Stakes can be useful and you can use them on siege, so anyone who want to use them is allowed to. You are NOT allowed to just indisciminately destroy them because you feel they don't belong on siege.

He doesn't just "feel", he actually gave good reasons for the stakes to be unfitting in siege (e.g jumping on stakes as shortcut, worse than griefing imo). Instead of seeing everything in the eyes of an admin who takes the official rules for sacred, you could also make some forwardthinking and make a good point for the removal of stakes in siege, which is useful and improves the mod.

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Re: Stakes in EU2!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2013, 05:50:48 pm »
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You do realize that just because you think that doesn't give you the right to grief your own team? Stakes can be useful and you can use them on siege, so anyone who want to use them is allowed to. You are NOT allowed to just indisciminately destroy them because you feel they don't belong on siege.

Is it griefing to destroy teammate's stakes that are misplaced or that arent useful at all? If they block a path or are just used to troll they should be destroyed obviously. It's not like Fips said he was going to destroy any kind of stakes that were placed.
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Re: Stakes in EU2!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2013, 06:17:33 pm »
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It's not like Fips said he was going to destroy any kind of stakes that were placed.

Yes, i destroy every stake in sight because they do not fucking belong in this game mode.

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Re: Stakes in EU2!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2013, 06:23:12 pm »
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Is it griefing to destroy teammate's stakes that are misplaced or that arent useful at all? If they block a path or are just used to troll they should be destroyed obviously. It's not like Fips said he was going to destroy any kind of stakes that were placed.

Nope it is not griefing to destroy idiotically placed stakes. Blocking a path is perfectly valid use of stakes, and yes he did: "Yes, i destroy every stake in sight because they do not fucking belong in this game mode."

He doesn't just "feel", he actually gave good reasons for the stakes to be unfitting in siege (e.g jumping on stakes as shortcut, worse than griefing imo). Instead of seeing everything in the eyes of an admin who takes the official rules for sacred, you could also make some forwardthinking and make a good point for the removal of stakes in siege, which is useful and improves the mod.

Same can be said about siege shields and construction sites (albeit to a lesser extent because of the slots). Also I don't think removing things is useful or improves the mod, a perfect example being ladders. The devs, instead of trying to improve on ladders to fix the problems with them, just said fuck it and removed them completely from any game mode besides strat. Worst decisions they ever made imo.
In the case of stakes there are a few simple things that would improve them massively: Make them a bit weaker, make them damage any idiot that decides to jump on them, make it so that you can't stack em on top of each other and maybe some kind of collision detection, that if the stakes get planted half in a building they get destroyed automatically.

In any case, I'm an admin, not a dev, my job is not improving the mod, it is enforcing the rules and making sure people don't ruin other people's fun.

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Re: Stakes in EU2!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2013, 07:57:20 pm »
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I extremely rarely see any well placed stakes. The only spot where they should be is at the outer gate where no defender should go through.
People often think that they put up stakes well because they block the attackers to get to eg the gate mechanism. But they are too idiotic to understand that once a attacker manages to pass the stakes, no defender is able to reach him in time.

I agree that destroying well placed stakes should not be allowed, but the problem is that they are never well placed. The person that put them up is just too retarded to understand that and starts claiming people are griefing him.

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Re: Stakes in EU2!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2013, 08:42:57 pm »
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99% of siege rounds are lost because defenders don't reach the flag in time and/or because attackers stopped attacking as a stream but rather as a group. Placing stakes as defender can only make things worse.

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Re: Stakes in EU2!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2013, 12:27:01 am »
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You do realize that just because you think that doesn't give you the right to grief your own team? Stakes can be useful and you can use them on siege, so anyone who want to use them is allowed to. You are NOT allowed to just indisciminately destroy them because you feel they don't belong on siege.

Ah c'mon, if you read the whole post you would have seen that some of them are indeed useful, those i do not destroy. That first sentence was a little exaggeration, because 95% of them are utterly useless and deserve to be destroyed. So yeah, it's basically all of them.

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Re: Stakes in EU2!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2013, 01:46:05 am »
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I still believe the best scenario would be limiting the number of deployed "ladders/mats" at the same time. Instead of completely removing them, or simply letting be abused like this.

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Re: Stakes in EU2!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2013, 03:25:18 am »
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I am allowed to kill a teammate who destroys my stakes? I mean, only a traitor would sabotage the defence to help the attackers. (plus i have to pay upkeep for the few pointy, wooden sticks.)