What class is OP

[Memento_Mori]

this poll is just to see how the forum using community thinks, no real conclusion will be pulled out of it. also if u give a nooby a 2hander or if u give a nooby an xbow on foot or horse, i can guarantee he will fair better with the point and click ranged than with the 2hander. people are considering 2hander op because u can spam with it, imo you can do the same with any 4 direction polearm.

Have you even used polearm animations compared to 2h?

lol

Hxbow noob vs 2h noob in battlefield effectiveness.

2h wins, get out. It's easier to mash left click and do maximum damage regardless of positioning/direction of swing with 2h than any other melee class. & aiming/judging distance/movement/arc/ is a lot harder than pushing your character model up against another one while left clicking.

[rufio]

i wont even go into discussion with you, what the hell

[Memento_Mori]

i wont even go into discussion with you, what the hell

[rufio]

youre saying that somone new to crpg, mount and blade, will be better at the melee combat that at ranged combat, i am just baffled by that. most gamers have played a shooter in their lives but nothing like this melee. specially in crpg if a newbie goes a class with manual block he will get stomped hard, as ranged he can atleast hit some stuff before enemy gets in melee range.

[TheAppleSauceMan]

youre saying that somone new to crpg, mount and blade, will be better at the melee combat that at ranged combat, i am just baffled by that. most gamers have played a shooter in their lives but nothing like this melee. specially in crpg if a newbie goes a class with manual block he will get stomped hard, as ranged he can atleast hit some stuff before enemy gets in melee range.

I'd have to agree with him. Sure they may have played a shooter, but ranged in c-RPG is much different than any run of the mill shooter. He's probably going to miss a LOT, and when he does hit, probably won't do much damage. Not to mention if he ever gets caught in melee he will probably die immediately. If a new user runs say a 24/15 2H build, sure he won't be able to block, but you get that player in a blob, he starts smashing left click, he's gonna do some damage, and oftentimes get kills. Seen it many times before!

[Torben]

pushing your character model up against another one while left clicking.

sounds like 1h to me 

[Radament]

Boycott Hoplitism 2013

[Tibe]

youre saying that somone new to crpg, mount and blade, will be better at the melee combat that at ranged combat, i am just baffled by that. most gamers have played a shooter in their lives but nothing like this melee. specially in crpg if a newbie goes a class with manual block he will get stomped hard, as ranged he can atleast hit some stuff before enemy gets in melee range.

Shooter? PewPewing with a xbow or bow in Warband is different than with a CoD machinegun you silly. They arent even on the same planet. And Applesauce is correct. One of the main arguments some people throw is that 2h has to manualblock, therefor it is not OP. Which is just wrong.

Newbies or always 2h players dont get that the 2h is OP. Neither did I for quite some time. I remember going "Gsword is so not OP, you are out of your minds". While the veteranplayers kept saying otherwise. After kinda playing mostly all classes atleast one gen, im  spotting quite a bit of difference here.

[BlindGuy]

Have you even used polearm animations compared to 2h?

lol

Hxbow noob vs 2h noob in battlefield effectiveness.

2h wins, get out. It's easier to mash left click and do maximum damage regardless of positioning/direction of swing with 2h than any other melee class. & aiming/judging distance/movement/arc/ is a lot harder than pushing your character model up against another one while left clicking.

from this post all I can tell is that you spam poles badly. Polearms: easier to play rangegame than 2h

But methinks you dost stack STR. Polearms are really nice, to say that 2h is OP over polearms is silly: 2handers are easier to use, but not OVER POWERED when compared with polearms. Polearms have nice range, selection of damage types, many can be combined with shields, they hit way earlier in animation (causing noobs to glance, hence why they think 2h OP, but easier does not mean OP, its just easier), many rear horses (insta death to many cav), and are all around badass weapons. Currently 1h is OP because nundge is broken, because it has no counter, it is OVER POWERED. lets not get down to arguin like you have started here, that you find something easier and therefor its OP.

[karasu]

Tanks man. Tanks.

[BlindGuy]

To those so worried about hoplites: in a 1v1 do you fear hoplites? really? its only downblock...if they put shield away and use 4 direction or 2 directions: how is that different to fighting other polearms. If you hate that they gank: campaign for them to be buffed. Hoplites teamhit a lot because you just cannot tell where the spear will go sometimes, get them a buff and the teamkilling would end the problem.

If you really DO fear them 1v1, go to shop, 2handed section, 1.5k gold: Maul. End of all problems.

[Panos]

Please devs, give me one nerf ticket. I beg you..

[Mr.K.]

When I say a 150 degree angle in front of you, I mean 75 degrees to each side. I am pretty sure downblock doesn't get you the full 90 degrees of coverage to each side. Shields do, almost. So I think we're on the same page here unless you mean 45 degrees to each side.

I haven't tested with downblock, but with an upblock a weapon can cover 180 degrees exactly. A shield covers 90 degrees on the left side and maybe 70 degrees or so on the right hand side. So at least for upblocks the shield coverage is less than a weapon.

[Lannistark]

I think if you added an option for "Longsword" stand alone, and another for 2h in general, most would start to see a trend there...

[BlindGuy]

but: longsword, bastards, katanas: they all spam nice but nothing that cannot be easily be countered by a nice overhead from a maul.

Honestly, no kidding: Maul is what's for breakfast lunch and tea. It defeats ANY other weapon: fighting a big weapon? spam them. Fighting a spam weapon? crush 'em. If maul cannot get the job done, its gonna take catapults.


Infact, yes, catapults OP.