Range Spam in Eu1

[Adamar]

"The freedom of one person ends where the freedom of another person begins."

Then why have ranged been slowed down to shit and nerfed in every way? Is it ranged who should keep that line in mind, or meleers?

[Kafein]

Then why have ranged been slowed down to shit and nerfed in every way? Is it ranged who should keep that line in mind, or meleers?

Yes, the balance team is controlled by the melee lobby

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[Molly]

Then why have ranged been slowed down to shit and nerfed in every way? Is it ranged who should keep that line in mind, or meleers?

Ranged. Pretty simple really. One archer can easily ruin the game and fun for 10 melee guys while 1 melee guy can't ruin the fun for any ranged. How is that for common sense...

[CrazyCracka420]

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Really are too much.  It's the same whine day in and day out.  Can't you find one of the other hundred threads that whine about ranged and post there?  Do we need a new pity party for melee every week?

[Molly]

If you're bothered by this so much, why don't you just ignore the thread and piss off?

No, really... I am seriously wondering why you not just piss off? 

[Kafein]

If you don't want to participate in a discussion or just want to end it with your big "SHUT UP NOW EVERYBODY I DON'T WANT TO HEAR YOU" rants, you are kindly invited to stop posting.

[CrazyCracka420]

If you're bothered by this so much, why don't you just ignore the thread and piss off?

No, really... I am seriously wondering why you not just piss off? 

I'm not bothered by it, it's the same arguments (aka whining) every day in multiple threads.  Nothing constructive comes out of it.  Can't you condense the crying and pity party to one location instead of shitting up the forums with all these threads?

One side thinks that it's okay to whine on the forums and hope the dev's will save them from their hell that is melee fighting. 

The other side thinks you should grow up and accept responsibility for your actions rather than change the way other people play the game. 

You're not going to sway the other's opinion, so I'll just keep pointing and laughing at all the whiney bitches.  That's what I'm doing in these threads.  And it helps kill time while I'm "working".  That's why I'm here. 

Here's to all the whiners and non-adapters: 

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[Panos]

And yet, here you are whining about all the whining threads.

Fucking nerd   

[CrazyCracka420]

And yet, here you are whining about all the whining threads.

Fucking nerd   

I'm not lobbying to change the game because of the way other people choose to play.   You can say I'm whining about the whining threads, I suppose that is a valid observation.  I'd prefer to say that I'm talking shit about people who whine and complain.  I've even offered some constructive advice that people can do to control their own destiny (besides lobbying for devs to remove the obstacle they keep running head first into). 

Wahh ranged, cry more bitches, that seems real constructive. 

[Butan]

Rename thread to : Range / Melee / Cavalry spam in cRPG

And I will definitely agree with you

[Necrorave]

If you're bothered by this so much, why don't you just ignore the thread and piss off?

No, really... I am seriously wondering why you not just piss off? 

CrazyCracka may be a bit of a butthead when it comes to the way he speaks his mind.  Although this response is like saying if you do not like abortion, sit at home and do nothing.

It's a matter of getting opinions together and collaborating.  Of course, both sides have people that like to claim QQ and speak their opinions rather then reason with people.

I may agree with Crazy in his personal opinion, but he does have a coarse way of putting it.

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Anyways, your point earlier about how one archer can ruin something if their are 10 melee characters left. 
Well, to start.  There is probably no way of fixing that when it comes to a ranged weapon.
Secondly, maybe it would of been smart for those 10 melee people left to defend archers rather then being a "Hero" and charging in.  I know teamwork is not a valid defense, but "Player-choices" are not a good offensive for this argument either.

You guys claim that a lot of archers ruin the game (Silly argument if you ask me)  but fair enough.  It was the players choice to make an archer and play as one.  It was your choice to play as a melee build with no ranged or defensive capabilities in case of ranged.

Both have their advantages and disadvantages.  Fair game if you ask me.  Yet when their is an excessive amount of one thing or a group of them working together it suddenly becomes a much stronger force.  Archers work together naturally in combat (Maybe not with melee team members), while melee is more of a learned talent to work together well.

Only point I am trying to make in this about teamwork.  Archers tend to work as a team even when they do not mean to, which can make any bunch of archers a really deadly force.  So if a group of people protect them.  (You know, melee people?) then you can get a big advantage if they take out the other teams archers.

This entire argument is very situation oriented.  I still believe things should stay as they are.  If people choose to play a way you do not like, then that is something you are going to have to deal with.  It is impossible to make everyone happy and the only way melee will be happy is if they are made of shields or archers are part of the foliage.

[Adamar]

Yes, the balance team is controlled by the melee lobby

Clearly its been working that way so far.

Ranged. Pretty simple really. One archer can easily ruin the game and fun for 10 melee guys while 1 melee guy can't ruin the fun for any ranged. How is that for common sense...

False. From the moment that one melee guy pulls a shield up on me, Im powerless. While shieldless, he can always dodge, and that does work against an archer. If theres more than one however, that means you're fighting a group of ranged on your own, and that's your fault, not theirs. And if you think one archer is going to be of any significance against multiple melee guys, you're sadly unknowledgeable about game statistics.

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So, are ranged getting nerfed or what?

[Strudog]

False. From the moment that one melee guy pulls a shield up on me, Im powerless. While shieldless, he can always dodge, and that does work against an archer. If theres more than one however, that means you're fighting a group of ranged on your own, and that's your fault, not theirs. And if you think one archer is going to be of any significance against multiple melee guys, you're sadly unknowledgeable about game statistics.

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So, are ranged getting nerfed or what?

any good archer will go around the shield and shoot the shielder , people who say get a shield have a completely pointless  rgument because a good archer vs a shielder should win.

[Adamar]

any good archer will go around the shield and shoot the shielder , people who say get a shield have a completely pointless  rgument because a good archer vs a shielder should win.

Just back from the game, and comments like that make me sick.

Going around a shield is a huge gamble, especially if the shielder knows that can happen. Chances are you'll get slashed in the head. And then even if you get an arrow in, they generaly survive and cut you down like paper. If you expect a shield to survive several archers, then you have wrong expectations, but dont even try to deny the crap I've had to endure since warband was created. It's really revolting.

[Strudog]

Just back from the game, and comments like that make me sick.

Going around a shield is a huge gamble, especially if the shielder knows that can happen. Chances are you'll get slashed in the head. And then even if you get an arrow in, they generaly survive and cut you down like paper. If you expect a shield to survive several archers, then you have wrong expectations, but dont even try to deny the crap I've had to endure since warband was created. It's really revolting.

you kind of archers make me sick as well, believeing that they are all rubbish and melee and that they cant fight back so they mus run round the map 5 times because they cant melee properly.

Adapt your builds like us meleeing cunts have to do, get some Ps get some wpf. You tell us melee add a few points in shield, well you archers should sacrifice something as well.

And dont bother whining about how youve been nerfed a million times, so has my longspear and i didnt complain